Had Natsarim Been Tempted In The Garden

Adam and Eve were tempted by Satan in the garden.  Both rejected Yahuah and brought sin into the world of humans.  Prior to that, sin only existed among the fallen ones, because they disobeyed Yahuah first.  Had Adam been of the Natsarim, his decisions would have been different.

This is a simple process but let’s try to think as Adam might have thought.  I focus on Adam because he was the first human created, and he was created from mud by Yahuah and his life was breathed into him by Yahuah.  He was also created outside of the garden.  Being created outside of the garden might have played a roll in his fall, because certainly the fallen ones also existed outside the garden.  Did they corrupt the earth prior to Adams creation?

If they did, a battlefield tactic would have been to surround the garden with “booby traps”, perhaps some technology in the soil to corrupt mankind should mankind ever till to the soil outside the garden.  But this is only intellectual conjecture at this point.  I want to focus on Adam, Eve, the Nacash and Yahuah.

Nacash –

Strong’s Hebrew: 5175. נָחָשׁ (nachash) — a serpent

I. נָחָשׁ noun masculine Genesis 3:1 serpent (Late Hebrew id.; Arabic serpent, viper (Lane 406anything hunted) is compare by Lag M, i, 230; BN 50, 188 Ba Es 48, but improbable; Arabic see below [נָחַשׁ below; on formation compare Lag BN 50); — absolute ׳נ Amos 5:19 +; construct נְחַשׁ Numbers 21:9 2t.; plural נְחָשִׁים Numbers 21:6; Jeremiah 8:17; —
The serpent tempted Eve by stating that “surely she would not die”.  A lie, and Eve had never heard a lie before.  Neither had Adam.  They had only heard Truth.  Every word ever spoken had been truth, both from Yahuah and to one another.  They were like little children in this regard.
Adam heard the nacash speak to Eve, and Eve ate from the tree.  She did not die.  Adam noted this.  He should have rebuked the serpent when the serpent lied, but Adam did not know what a lie was.  He observed.
When Eve did not fall dead, Adam also ate.  Since he did not rebuke the serpent prior to Eve eating from the tree, he should have waited until the cool of the day when he and Yahuah walked in the garden together to talk.  Adam could have asked Yahuah about the serpent, Eve and the tree.  Yahuah would have instructed Adam as to the serpents lie, and explained what a lie was.
Adam did not wait.  He did not ask for clarification.  He ate from the tree and experienced whatever Eve experienced.  She experienced something, certainly.  Her eyes were opened to rebellion.  She knew more than Adam and Adam had to take that step, too.
Not from pride, as that would have been a sin the preceded eating from the tree.  He just wanted to experience what Eve experienced as her eyes were opened to see what disobedience offered.
A Natsarim would have rebuked the serpent from the beginning.  Natsarim are guardians of Truth.  We stand for Truth no matter what.  We seek truth and we live according to it.  A Natsarim would have warned Eve to obey Yahuah no matter what, and then the Natsarim would have asked Yahuah about this nacash when he walked with Yahuah in the cool of the day.
We stand for the Truth and we ask questions when we do not know.   We seek the wise counsel of one who does know, and if the answer is slow in coming, we are patient.  We wait.  There is no need to hurry.
Note – Cain was not the offspring of Satan, as some teach.  Cain was no giant, as were the eventual offspring of the fallen ones and human women. Cain was simply the first-born of sin, and he bore the fruit of that ignoble position.
When you are tempted by some glittering snake, turn away.  Remember the promises of Yahuah to all who keep His commands.   Our Way is difficult.  The gate is tight and the path is narrow.  There is no wandering from side to side.  Being narrow, we must directly encounter snares and not go around them.  Direct encounter means we must deal with temptation as true guardians of the Truth.  Every time.

The Beast

I have to share this with you before closing.

Just erected at the United Nations (U.N.)- teeth like a lion, wings like an eagle, the tail of a serpent and feet like a bear.  “The Guardian of International Peace and Security” they call it.  World peace, guaranteed by the organization that erected this thing.

Peace and safety.  When they proclaim it, sudden destruction will come upon them.

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JV
JV
6 months ago

Hello Jerry,

I love the story of the Fall and it never ceases to impress me with it’s depth and relevance. Here are a few beliefs I have about the Fall that you may not have heard before. My perspective is that of a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (though I research material from many religions including philosophies of the ancients), hopefully you find my thoughts interesting and thought provoking.

For context, I believe that God is the Father of the spirits of all mankind and that we lived with God before this life.

Symbolically, Eve partaking of the fruit first is beautiful. There were two main trees in the garden of Eden, the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and the tree of life. After they partook of the forbidden fruit God “drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.” Only Israelite men of the tribe of Levi could be part of God’s Priesthood in Biblical Israel. The sacrificial Priesthood ceremonies were very symbolic of the garden and in burnt offerings you could almost literally say that Cherubim and a flaming sword were guarding the way to the tree of life as they cut and burned the offerings trying to approach it. The result of the Fall was bringing souls out of God’s presence, and the result of God’s sacrifice (which is made valid in Priesthood ceremonies such as baptism) is a returning of souls into God’s presence. The Fall was put into motion by a woman’s act, and the Atonement was put in motion by a man’s act. “Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.”

I have considered the possibility that giving the forbidden fruit and accepting it was a Priesthood ceremony and that God was planning to perform the ritual but the serpent, trying to put himself above God, made a mockery of it. Also worth noting is that after they eat the fruit, the devil clothes them in fig leaves. But after God comes, He clothes them in coats of skins. There’s definitely a distinction in the way the devil tried to supplant God and imitate Him. I have wondered for many years if the devil is even necessary for God’s plan to be in effect? Our fallen nature provides enough temptation as it stands without the devil’s nudging.

My religion teaches that the Fall was necessary in order for God’s plan to progress. We also revere Eve as a woman of courage who made an intentional decision as she knew she was commanded not to eat of the fruit, but also commanded to multiply and replenish the Earth. My church believes that the Fall was necessary because without it Adam and Eve couldn’t have children. I believe that the Fall was necessary, but for reasons I’ve never heard in any Sunday School class.

God, being perfect, cannot create anything with blemish or corruption. I think when God created the Earth it was perfect. When He created the Garden and Adam and Eve, they were all perfect. There was no death. No sorrow. No pain. But one thing God can do is create agency. As soon as He gave them a choice, He could attach a consequence to their decision, and that consequence was corruption.

I do not believe that partaking of the fruit was a sin, but it was a transgression. Like breaking the speed limit isn’t morally wrong, but it is breaking the law. Anyways, that’s just a few thoughts. Hope you enjoyed reading them.

JV
JV
6 months ago
Reply to  Jerry

I appreciate your response. I understand what you’re saying. I agree that obedience is necessary, and that Adam and Eve disobeyed God’s commandment. I really appreciate the focus on obedience in your posts, it’s something most Christians ignore but is made quite clear in the Bible. I hope that as my life progresses I am more obedient over time, not less, because that will indicate to me that my relationship with Christ and my discipleship have improved.

Do you view some sins as worse than others? I understand that all disobedience separates me from God, but are there some commandments that are worse to break than others? Curious on your thoughts on this.

It’s true, the Bible doesn’t expressly state that the Fall was necessary in order to have children. But consider how there is opposition in all things. We see today the world trying to eliminate opposition and it’s part of the Big Lie. With that being the case, how can new life be born if one cannot die? How can there be pleasure without the ability to feel pain? How can one who’s perfectly innocent ever discover how to procreate? Why would they ever want to? When I think of Adam and Eve as innocent, I view them as I view a little child. Even if a child had the capacity to make children they never would.

Speaking specifically of women… Menstruation, the act of procreation, and pregnancy, I believe they are all sacred rituals/ceremonies/patterns divinely instilled into women by God. They all point to Christ, they all follow universal patterns. For example, a single sperm out of a hundred million fertilizing the egg is the same, to me, as Christ saying “Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” A thousand failures are required for a single success.

I mention this because pregnancy, while divine, is incredibly painful. It is a miracle any woman has ever had a child, let alone more than one. So, in a perfect world, with no variability and no change, why should I believe that Eve’s body could change, let alone feel pain, when there was no corruption? When, immediately after the Fall, I read, “Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.” It either means that now she can have children where she couldn’t have previously, or that she could have brought forth children in the garden but it wouldn’t have been in sorrow. It’s also worth noting that she is married by this time as Adam is referred to as her husband.

Also worth noting, inferring from this verse, “And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.” Eve may not have had a name before the Fall and she may not have been the mother of all living before the Fall. Again, opposition, there is living because there is now death, and it was her decision that resulted in living and death existing.

My Church has additional scripture that clearly states the Fall was necessary in order for them to procreate, but I do not personally have a spiritual witness to those specific statements. One specific verse is quoted here, for your consideration, “And Eve, his wife, heard all these things and was glad, saying: Were it not for our transgression we never should have had seed, and never should have known good and evil, and the joy of our redemption, and the eternal life which God giveth unto all the obedient.” I’m currently like a 7/10 on believing it was necessary, but I’m not entirely convinced it was.

When I consider what the world would be like if the Fall never happened and if they could have had children and grandchildren. There would have been no need for Jesus. There would have been no need for a resurrection or a reconciliation. There would have been no experience knowing good and evil and learning to choose the good over the evil. There would have been no agency, no choosing God. There would have been no returning to God because we’d have never left.

God is our Father. There is a seed of the divine in each of us. As His child I want to become like Him. I believe that God is good, but not only that, He chooses to be good. That he knows what evil is and chooses not to be evil. I want to be like that. None of us could ever become like that if the Fall hadn’t happened.

P.S. I think the end of the world will be no earlier than 2025 and no later than 2040.

Enoch
Enoch
6 months ago

I think this is a good post.
It is important to remember the Father YHWH is the
Alpha and the Omega
He knows The Beginning from The End and is outside of time.
Defenetly part of our consideration as we walk with YHWH Elohim.
Peace and Shalom

Joe McKinley
Joe McKinley
6 months ago

Jerry,
I respectfully have to disagree with you,
from the plain text of Genesis 3:6-7 alone.
Part of your Dec 9th article indicates
the woman fell first, then Adam.

No, they fell SIMULTANEOUSLY.

While the New Testament says the woman being DECEIVED
was in the transgression, (1 Tim 2:14), she wasn’t UNDECEIVED
(realize the consequences) until AFTER the fall (Adam’s sin).
3:6 And when the woman saw …,
she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat,
and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Husband eats AFTER woman – so far, correct.
3:7 And the eyes of them BOTH were opened, and they knew ….
^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Adam was the federal head of mankind,
his sin caused us all to be fallen.
Romans 5:19 —
For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so
by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
No mention of WOMAN in Rom. 5:19, though of course Adam & Eve were “one flesh.” Numbers 30, esp. vs. 13-15, also relates to your speculations about what “might have been.”

Sincerely,
Joe McKinley

Joe McKinley
Joe McKinley
6 months ago
Reply to  Jerry

I agree with most of what you wrote.
The disagreement concerns just whether there were
SEPARATE FALLS of Eve and Adam, vs. a JOINT FALL.
Our readings of the English are at odds on this
one point, but lead to VASTLY different conclusions.

You’re conflating the separate “eatings” of the fruit with
the fall, as if Eve and Adam were separate moral entities.
If the assumption of separable responsibility is granted,
your views are correct. I do not agree, based on the KJV text
– though perhaps a Hebrew expert (rabbi?) could be consulted on the original meaning “And the EYES OF them BOTH were opened” – whether it means distinctly SEQUENTIAL events or a SIMULTANEOUS event.

Interestingly, no word in text prior to this indicates a change
in Eve, before a change in Adam. Nothing significant seems
to happen UNTIL Adam eats.

I similarly think that Satan did not fall, then his angels.
He was (and is) the federal head of the lizard / snake order
of creation – when he fell, they fell with him.
This is EXACTLY analogous to Adam’s fall causing all born
from his seed to be fallen. Even though they weren’t present, they are counted as having been “in the loins” of Adam, so the fall came to all men.

Since “Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.” (Acts 15:18 ), He certainly had the principles of Numbers 30 in mind when He made Adam and Eve. Specifically, man’s authority over a daughter or wife.

While the “eating” of Eve preceded the “eating” of Adam,
ONLY Adam’s eating was finally consequential. Numbers 30
concerning oaths and bindings covers this. Verse 30:2 states
a man’s oath is binding – but the rest of the chapter concerns how a woman’s vows / bonds can be made void or established, just by the words or inaction of her father or husband, especially Numbers 30:13-15:

13 Every vow, and every binding oath to afflict the soul,
her husband may establish it, or her husband may
make it void.
14 BUT IF her husband altogether hold his peace at her
from day to day; then he establisheth all her vows,
or all her bonds, which are upon her: HE CONFIRMETH
THEM, BECAUSE HE HELD HIS PEACE at her in the day
that he heard them.
15 BUT IF HE shall any ways MAKE THEM VOID AFTER
that he hath heard them; THEN HE SHALL BEAR
HER INIQUITY.

The point is, Eve was UNDER Adam’s authority. Her words
(and possibly actions) WEREN’T immediately binding (remember, this was a PERFECT COUPLE / WORLD still – hard to conceive now).

Adam as husband possibly COULD have over-ruled Eve’s
eating, too. Of course, EATING is an ACTION, not just a
verbal commitment – it might be regarded as MORE than
a mere oath or binding, though this eating did have a
binding effect. If so, the principles of Numbers 30
wouldn’t have been applicable, and Eve would have needed
a perfect SACRIFICE even then.

Final point: By being PRESENT and SILENT (Num. 30:14),
Adam was certainly CONSENTING to Eve’s action,
so maybe there’s no ground for hope anyway.

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