Treatment of Infectious Diseases With Massive Doses of Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid) – Also For Treating Children

Great information than might save your life, or the life of someone you love.

Robert F. Cathcart III, M.D.
(Reprinted with permission of the author)

Copyright (C), 1994 and prior years by Dr. Robert F. Cathcart. Dr. Cathcart gave his permission “to distribute via the internet as long as material is distributed in its entirety and not modified.”

I want to emphasize first that the main reason that massive doses of vitamin C work against infectious diseases has little to do with the vitamin C functions as ordinarily understood. They work in massive doses because we are throwing away the vitamin C for the extra electrons carried. These extra electrons neutralize the free radicals (molecules missing electrons) that mediate all inflammations and cause the symptoms and deaths from these infectious diseases. It is not really a matter of medicine; it is a matter of chemistry. Doses of ascorbate which are massive enough to force a reducing redox potential into tissues affected by the disease will always neutralize the free radicals.

For maintenance doses, take an amount of ascorbic acid that is comfortable for you about 4 to 6 times a day. Remember that the dose may vary depending on how you feel.

The better you feel, you take less. The worse you feel, you take more.

Always, always, always drink water with ascorbic acid by mouth! Never let yourself get seriously dehydrated which can happen if you are very nauseated from the illness or medications.

Start with pure ascorbic acid crystals or powder. Then after you learn to read the needs of your body, switch over to capsules or tablets. Always take these with water. Over a long period of time ascorbic acid powder or crystals could cause topical damage to the enamel of your teeth. Capsules or tablets will not do this. (Editor’s note: Buffering dissolved ascorbic acid powder with some sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) before drinking will render it pH neutral. And fizzy, too. Scroll down a bit at http://www.doctoryourself.com/news/v4n4.txt Vitamin C as sodium ascorbate is also nonacidic.)

If you are exposed to the flu, increase your doses to very close to bowel tolerance. If you feel a virus is threatening, take doses even as frequently as every hour during the day and take an extra dose in the middle of the night if you wake to urinate.

WHAT TO DO FOR THE FLU

If you get the flu, take doses every hour, or maybe even more frequently, until diarrhea is almost produced. Actually, the diarrhea is not that bad so it might be better to tolerate a little diarrhea at first. If the flu is causing diarrhea, this may be difficult but those with experience in taking ascorbic acid can tell the difference between the flu diarrhea (which is uncomfortable) and the loosening of the stools by ascorbic acid (which is not usually uncomfortable).

If you are unable to take enough ascorbic acid by mouth to control the flu see an orthomolecular physician for intravenous sodium ascorbate. Ask the owners of a mom and pop health food store. They will probably know the names of physicians who will give intravenous sodium ascorbate in your area. (Editor’s note: I do not maintain a database of such physicians, and am therefore unable to provide you with names or referrals. Trying a “Google” search may help you.)

INTRAVENOUS VITAMIN C

Sodium ascorbate intravenously can be given in bottles containing 60 grams of sodium ascorbate in 500 cc of water, lactated Ringer’s or normal saline or half normal saline. D5W is OK but actually I like to avoid the sugar. By the way, do not eat sugar when you have the flu. It is best not to eat sugar anyway.

If 60 grams of sodium ascorbate does not reverse the symptoms given over 3 to 4 hours, then 120 grams in 1000 cc or 180 grams in 1500 cc may be administered. When enough ascorbate is given rapidly enough, it will eliminate the symptoms because the symptoms are mediated by free radicals. If enough electrons are made available through massive doses of ascorbate it will eliminate the symptoms including all the inflammation. It is matter of chemistry, not medicine.

Children take reduced doses IV. Usually a 10-year old takes adult doses. Sometimes you have to give chewable ascorbate by mouth in children. This does not work quite as well as ascorbic acid by mouth. Chewables are buffered of necessity to protect the teeth and are not quite as powerful, but better than nothing.

People who cannot obtain sodium ascorbate by vein (remember insurance will not usually pay for this, because it works and therefore reduces the needs for drugs) and who cannot tolerate bowel tolerance doses of ascorbate will get some lesser benefit from more moderate doses of ascorbic acid by mouth or from buffered C by mouth. They do not work as well against acute symptoms but may prevent serious complications. Remember that those people who die of the flu mostly have acute induced scurvy. If you take moderate doses of ascorbates, they should prevent acute induced scurvy. With any physician who does not believe this, have them take your serum levels of ascorbate when you are sick.

Treating Children With Vitamin C For Viral Infections/Influenza

Children who are dying of the flu mostly have what I call “acute induced scurvy.” Read the story about babies dying of acute induced scurvy in Dr. Archie Kalokerinos’ book “Every Second Child.” I, personally, treated one 2 year old who would not take the vitamin C I prescribed because of a viral disease and a temperature or 104 F. In the middle of the night during a snow storm, the mother called saying she thought her son was dying. I saw him immediately in the middle of the night. The boy was almost comatose with his back arched. I quickly gave him an intramuscular shot of one gram of sodium ascorbate in 4 cc of water without preservative. In a minute or so he was sitting up acting perfectly normal. The response was so dramatic that there was no question that the mother would have the child take the ascorbate subsequently. This was exactly the type of case described by Dr. Kalokerinos in Australia. There was no question that in an hour or two, if I had done the legally correct thing and sent him to the hospital, he would have been dead of acute induced scurvy.

ADDITIONAL READING:

  1. Cathcart RF.  The method of determining proper doses of vitamin C for the treatment of disease by titrating to bowel tolerance.  J Orthomolecular Psychiatry 1981; 10:125-32.
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  3. Cathcart RF.  A unique function for ascorbate. Medical Hypotheses 1991; 35: 32-7.
  4. Klenner FR.  Virus pneumonia and its treatment with vitamin C. J. South. Med. and Surg. 1948; 110: 60-3.
  5. Klenner FR. The treatment of poliomyelitis and other virus diseases with vitamin C. J. South. Med. and Surg. 1949; 111:210-4.
  6. Klenner FR.  Observations on the dose and administration of ascorbic acid when employed beyond the range of a vitamin in human pathology. J. App. Nutr. 1971; 23: 61-88.
  7. Klenner FR.  Significance of high daily intake of ascorbic acid in preventive medicine.  J. Int. Acad. Prev. Med. 1974; 1:45-9.
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  10. Stone I. The  Healing Factor:  Vitamin C Against Disease. Grosset and Dunlapp, New York, 1972.
  11. Pauling L. Vitamin C and the Common Cold. W.H. Freeman and Company, San Francisco, 1970.
  12. Pauling L.  Vitamin C, the Common Cold, and the Flu. W.H.Freeman and Company, San Francisco, 1976.
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    Medical Hypotheses 1984; 14(4): 423-33.
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Begin This Simple Regimen Today VS Coronavirus and All Other Viral Attacks

Vitamin C Protects Against Coronavirus

by Dr. Andrew W. Saul, Editor

(OMNS January 26, 2020) The coronavirus pandemic can be dramatically slowed, or stopped, with the immediate widespread use of high doses of vitamin C. Physicians have demonstrated the powerful antiviral action of vitamin C for decades. There has been a lack of media coverage of this effective and successful approach against viruses in general, and coronavirus in particular.

It is very important to maximize the body’s anti-oxidative capacity and natural immunity to prevent and minimize symptoms when a virus attacks the human body. The host environment is crucial. Preventing is obviously easier than treating severe illness. But treat serious illness seriously. Do not hesitate to seek medical attention. It is not an either-or choice. Vitamin C can be used right along with medicines when they are indicated.

“I have not seen any flu yet that was not cured or markedly ameliorated by massive doses of vitamin C.”
(Robert F. Cathcart, MD)

The physicians of the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service and the International Society for Orthomolecular Medicine urge a nutrient-based method to prevent or minimize symptoms for future viral infection. The following inexpensive supplemental levels are recommended for adults; for children reduce these in proportion to body weight:

  • Vitamin C: 3,000 milligrams (or more) daily, in divided doses.
  • Vitamin D3: 2,000 International Units daily. (Start with 5,000 IU/day for two weeks, then reduce to 2,000)
  • Magnesium: 400 mg daily (in citrate, malate, chelate, or chloride form)
  • Zinc: 20 mg daily
  • Selenium: 100 mcg (micrograms) daily

Vitamin C [1], Vitamin D [2], magnesium [3], zinc [4], and selenium [5] have been shown to strengthen the immune system against viruses.

The basis for using high doses of vitamin C to prevent and combat virus-caused illness may be traced back to vitamin C’s early success against polio, first reported in the late 1940s.[6] Many people are unaware, even surprised, to learn this. Further clinical evidence built up over the decades, leading to an anti-virus protocol published in 1980.[7]

It is important to remember that preventing and treating respiratory infections with large amounts of vitamin C is well established. Those who believe that vitamin C generally has merit, but massive doses are ineffective or somehow harmful, will do well to read the original papers for themselves. To dismiss the work of these doctors simply because they had success so long ago sidesteps a more important question: Why has the benefit of their clinical experience not been presented to the public by responsible governmental authorities, especially in the face of a viral pandemic?

 

References:

1. Vitamin C:

Case HS (2018) Vitamin C questions answered. Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v14n12.shtml.

Gonzalez MJ, Berdiel MJ, Duconge J (2018) High dose vitamin C and influenza: A case report. J Orthomol Med. June, 2018, 33(3). https://isom.ca/article/high-dose-vitamin-c-influenza-case-report.

Gorton HC, Jarvis K (1999) The effectiveness of vitamin C in preventing and relieving the symptoms of virus-induced respiratory infections. J Manip Physiol Ther, 22:8, 530-533. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10543583

Hemilä H (2017) Vitamin C and infections. Nutrients. 9(4). pii:E339. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28353648.

Hickey S, Saul AW (2015) Vitamin C: The real story. Basic Health Pub. ISBN-13: 978-1591202233.

Levy TE (2014) The clinical impact of vitamin C. Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v10n14.shtml

OMNS (2007) Vitamin C: a highly effective treatment for colds. http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v03n05.shtml.

OMNS (2009) Vitamin C as an antiviral http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v05n09.shtml.

Taylor T (2017) Vitamin C material: where to start, what to watch. OMNS, http://www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v13n20.shtml.

Yejin Kim, Hyemin Kim, Seyeon Bae et al. (2013) Vitamin C is an essential factor on the anti-viral immune responses through the production of interferon-α/β at the initial stage of influenza A virus (H3N2) infection. Immune Netw. 13:70-74. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23700397.

2. Vitamin D:

Cannell JJ, Vieth R, Umhau JC et al. (2006) Epidemic influenza and vitamin D. Epidemiol Infect. 134:1129-1140. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16959053.

Cannell JJ, Zasloff M, Garland CF et al. (2008) On the epidemiology of influenza. Virol J. 5:29. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16959053.

Ginde AA, Mansbach JM, Camargo CA Jr. (2009) Association between serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D level and upper respiratory tract infection in the Third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey. Arch Intern Med. 169:384-390. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19237723.

Martineau AR, Jolliffe DA, Hooper RL et al. (2017) Vitamin D supplementation to prevent acute respiratory tract infections: systematic review and meta-analysis of individual participant data. BMJ. 356:i6583. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28202713.

Urashima M, Segawa T, Okazaki M et al. (2010) Randomized trial of vitamin D supplementation to prevent seasonal influenza A in schoolchildren. Am J Clin Nutr. 91:1255-60. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20219962.

von Essen MR, Kongsbak M, Schjerling P et al. (2010) Vitamin D controls T cell antigen receptor signaling and activation of human T cells. Nat Immunol. 11:344-349. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20208539.

3. Magnesium:

Dean C (2017) Magnesium. OMNS, http://www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v13n22.shtml

Dean C. (2017) The Magnesium Miracle. 2nd Ed., Ballantine Books. ISBN-13: 978-0399594441.

Levy TE (2019) Magnesium: Reversing Disease. Medfox Pub. ISBN-13: 978-0998312408

4. Zinc:

Fraker PJ, King LE, Laakko T, Vollmer TL. (2000) The dynamic link between the integrity of the immune system and zinc status. J Nutr. 130:1399S-406S. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10801951.

Liu MJ, Bao S, Gálvez-Peralta M, et al. (2013) ZIP8 regulates host defense through zinc-mediated inhibition of NF-кB. Cell Rep. 3:386-400. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23403290.

Mocchegiani E, Muzzioli M. (2000) Therapeutic application of zinc in human immunodeficiency virus against opportunistic infections. J Nutr. 130:1424S-1431S. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10801955.

Shankar AH, Prasad AS. (1998) Zinc and immune function: the biological basis of altered resistance to infection. Am J Clin Nutr. 68:447S-463S. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9701160.

5. Selenium:

Beck MA, Levander OA, Handy J. (2003) Selenium deficiency and viral infection. J Nutr. 133:1463S-1467S. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12730444.

Hoffmann PR, Berry MJ. (2008) The influence of selenium on immune responses. Mol Nutr Food Res. 52:1273-1280. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18384097.

Steinbrenner H, Al-Quraishy S, Dkhil MA et al. (2015) Dietary selenium in adjuvant therapy of viral and bacterial infections. Adv Nutr. 6:73-82. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25593145.

6. Klenner FR. The treatment of poliomyelitis and other virus diseases with vitamin C. J South Med Surg 1949, 111:210-214. http://www.doctoryourself.com/klennerpaper.html.

7. Cathcart RF. The method of determining proper doses of vitamin C for treatment of diseases by titrating to bowel tolerance. Australian Nurses J 1980, 9(4):9-13. http://www.doctoryourself.com/titration.html

 

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Hospital-based Intravenous Vitamin C Treatment for Coronavirus and Related Illnesses

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, Feb 2, 2020

Hospital-based Intravenous Vitamin C Treatment
for Coronavirus and Related Illnesses

by Andrew W. Saul and Atsuo Yanagisawa, MD, PhD

(OMNS February 2, 2020) No matter which hospital a coronavirus patient may seek help from, the question is, Will they be able to leave walking out the front door, or end up being wheeled out the basement backdoor? Prompt administration of intravenous vitamin C, in high doses, can make the difference.

Abundant clinical evidence confirms vitamin C’s effectiveness when used in sufficient quantity. [1]

Physicians have demonstrated the powerful antiviral action of vitamin C for decades. [2]

Specific instructions for intravenous vitamin C

The Japanese College of Intravenous Therapy (JCIT) recommends intravenous vitamin C (IVC) 12.5/25g (12,500 – 25,000 mg) for acute viral infections (influenza, herpes zoster, common cold, rubella, mumps, etc.) and virus mimetic infections (idiopathic sudden hearing loss, Bell’s palsy). In adults, IVC 12.5g is given for early stage illness with mild symptoms, and IVC 25g for moderate to severe symptoms. IVC is usually administered once or twice a day for 2-5 continuous days, along with or without general treatments for viral infections.

IVC 12.5g cocktail
Sterile water 125 mL
50% Vitamin C 25 mL (12. 5g)
0.5M Magnesium sulfate 10 mL
Add Vitamin B complex
Drip for 30-40 min
IVC 25g cocktail
Sterile water 250 mL
50% Vitamin C 50 mL (25g)
0.5M Magnesium sulfate 20 mL
Add Vitamin B complex
Drip for 40-60 min

Patients with acute viral infections show a depletion of vitamin C and increasing free radicals and cellular dysfunction. Such patients should be treated with vitamin C, oral or IV, for neutralizing free radicals throughout the body and inside cells, maintaining physiological functions, and enhancing natural healing. If patients progress to sepsis, vitamin C should be added intravenously as soon as possible along with conventional therapy for sepsis.

Toronto Star, 30 May 2003: “Fred Hui, MD believes that administering vitamin C intravenously is a treatment worth trying. And he’d like to see people admitted to hospital for the pneumonia-like virus treated with the vitamin intravenously while also receiving the usual drugs for SARS. ‘I appeal to hospitals to try this for people who already have SARS,’ says Hui. Members of the public would also do well to build up their levels of vitamin C, he says, adding that there is nothing to lose in trying it. ‘This is one of the most harmless substances there is,’ Hui states. ‘There used to be concern about kidney stones, but that was theoretical. It was never borne out in an actual case.’ Hui says he has found intravenous vitamin C effective in his medical practice with patients who have viral illnesses.” [3]

Additional administration details are readily obtained from a free download of the complete Riordan Clinic Intravenous Vitamin C Protocol. [4] Although initially prepared for cancer patients, the protocol has found widespread application for many other diseases, particularly viral illnesses.

“Research and experience has shown that a therapeutic goal of reaching a peak-plasma concentration of ~20 mM (350- 400 mg/dL) is most efficacious. (No increased toxicity for posoxidant IVC plasma vitamin C levels up to 780 mg/dL has been observed.) . . . [T]he administering physician begins with a series of three consecutive IVC infusions at the 15, 25, and 50 gram dosages followed by post IVC plasma vitamin C levels in order to determine the oxidative burden for that patient so that subsequent IVCs can be optimally dosed.”

Pages 16-18 of the Riordan protocol present IVC administration instructions.

http://www.doctoryourself.com/RiordanIVC.pdf or https://riordanclinic.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/RiordanIVCprotocol_en.pdf

There are four pages of supporting references.

“Given the rapid rate of success of intravenous vitamin C in viral diseases, I strongly believe it would be my first recommendation in the management of corona virus infections.”

(Victor A. Marcial-Vega, MD)
Puerto Rico

“It is of great importance for all doctors to be informed about intravenous vitamin C. When a patient is already in hospital severely ill, this would be the best solution to help save her or his life.”

(Karin Munsterhjelm, MD)
Finland

Winning the hospital game

When faced with hospitalization, the most powerful person in the most entire hospital system is the patient. However, in most cases, the system works on the assumption that the patient will not claim that power. If on your way in you signed the hospital’s legal consent form, you can unsign it. You can revoke your permission. Just because somebody has permission to do one thing doesn’t mean that they have the permission to do everything. There’s no such thing as a situation that you cannot reverse. You can change your mind about your own personal healthcare. It concerns your very life. The rights of the patient override the rules of any institution.

If the patient doesn’t know that, or if they’re not conscious, or if they just don’t have the moxie to do it, the next most powerful person is the spouse. The spouse has enormous influence and can do almost as much as the patient. If the patient is incapacitated, the spouse can, and must, do all the more. If there is no spouse present, the next most powerful people in the system are the children of the patient.

When you go to the hospital, bring along a big red pen, and cross out anything that you don’t like in the hospital’s permission form. And before you sign it, add anything you want. Write out “I want intravenous vitamin C, 25 grams per day, until I state otherwise.” And should they say, “We’re not going to admit you,” you reply, “Please put it in writing that you refuse to admit me.” What do you think their lawyers are going to do with that? They have to admit you. It’s a game, and you can win it. But you can’t win it if you don’t know the rules. And basically, they don’t tell you the rules.

This is deadly serious. Medical mistakes are now the third leading cause of death in the US. Yes, medical errors kill over 400,000 Americans every year. That’s 1,100 each day, every day. [5]

There are mistakes of commission and mistakes of omission. Failure to provide intravenous vitamin C is, literally, a grave omission. Do not allow yourself or your loved ones to be deprived of a simple, easy to prepare and administer IV of vitamin C.

“If a family member of mine died due to coronavirus infection, after a doctor refused to use intravenous vitamin C, I would challenge his or her treatment in a court of law. I would win.” (Kenneth Walker, MD, surgeon)

It can be done

Vitamin IVs can be arranged in virtually any hospital, anywhere in the world. Attorney and cardiologist Thomas E. Levy’s very relevant presentation is free access. [6,7] http://www.doctoryourself.com/VC.NZ.Sept.2010.pdf and http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v06n26.shtml.

Both the letter and the intent of new USA legislation now make this easier for you.

“The new federal Right to Try Act provides patients suffering from life-threatening diseases or conditions the right to use investigational drugs… It amends the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act to exempt investigational drugs provided to patients who have exhausted approved treatment options and are unable to participate in a clinical trial involving the drug. Advocates of right to try laws have sought to accelerate access to new drugs for terminally ill patients who are running out of options. Arguably, the law does not represent a radical change in this and several other states, however, because in 2016, California had already joined the majority of other states in adopting a law enabling physicians to help terminally ill patients pursue investigational therapies, without fear of Medical Board or state civil or criminal liability. . . The new Right to Try law should give physicians, as well as drug manufacturers, some added comfort about FDA enforcement in these cases.” [8]

Therefore, in regards to intravenous vitamin C, do not accept stories that “the hospital can’t” or “the doctor can’t” or that “the state won’t allow it.” If you hear any of this malarkey, please send the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service the text of the policy or the law that says so. In the meantime, take the reins and get vitamin C in the veins.

References:

1. Saul AW (2020) Nutritional Treatment of Coronavirus. http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n06.shtml

2. Saul AW (2020) Vitamin C Protects Against Coronavirus. http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n04.shtml

3. Mawhinney J (2003) Vitamin C touted to fight virus. Toronto Star, 30 May 2003. http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2003/06/06/vitamin_c_could_be_effective_against_sars.htm.

4. The Riordan IVC Protocol is a free-access download at http://www.doctoryourself.com/RiordanIVC.pdf

5. James JT (2013) A new, evidence-based estimate of patient harms associated with hospital care. J Patient Safety 9:122-128. https://journals.lww.com/journalpatientsafety/fulltext/2013/09000/A_New,_Evidence_based_Estimate_of_Patient_Harms.2.aspx .

6. Levy TE. Vitamin C: the facts, the fiction, and the law. http://www.doctoryourself.com/VC.NZ.Sept.2010.pdf

7. Levy TE. Vitamin C And The Law. OMNS. http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v06n26.shtml.

8. Nelson H, Zimmitti S (2018) New Federal Right to Try Act. NH Healthcare Law Perspectives. https://www.nelsonhardiman.com/right-to-try-right-to-die-federal-and-state-laws-in-flux-for-providers-who-treat-terminally-ill-patients

To learn more about intravenous vitamin C:

There are many articles posted for free reading at https://riordanclinic.org/journal-article-categories/intravenous-vitamin-c/

Mikirova N, Hunninghake R. (2014) Effect of high dose vitamin C on Epstein-Barr viral infection. Med Sci Monit. 20:725-732. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24793092. “The clinical study of ascorbic acid and EBV infection showed the reduction in EBV EA IgG and EBV VCA IgM antibody levels over time during IVC therapy that is consistent with observations from the literature that millimolar levels of ascorbate hinder viral infection and replication in vitro.”

Gonzalez MJ, Berdiel MJ, Duconge J, Levy TE, Alfaro IM, Morales-Borges R, Marcial-Vega, V, Olalde J. (2018) High Dose Vitamin C and Influenza: A Case Report. J Orthomol Med. 33(3) https://isom.ca/article/high-dose-vitamin-c-influenza-case-report/ “Based on the positive outcome in this case, we propose that Intravenous Vitamin C should be studied as a vital component of the treatment protocol for acute viral infections.”

Dr. W. Gifford-Jones: People are dying needlessly of coronavirus. https://www.mpnnow.com/news/20200128/dr-gifford-jones-people-are-dying-needlessly-of-coronavirus

Murata A. (1975) Virucidal activity of vitamin C: Vitamin C for the prevention and treatment of viral diseases. Proceedings of the First Intersectional Congress of Microbiological societies, Science Council of Japan, 3:432-42.

Saul AW. Vitamins in Hospitals http://www.doctoryourself.com/hospitals.html

Saul AW. (2020) Vitamin C Protects Against Coronavirus. Orthomolecular Medicine News Service. http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n04.shtml

Saul AW. How to Get Intravenous Vitamin C Given to a Hospitalized Patient: A Checklist http://www.doctoryourself.com/strategies.html

Cathcart RF. Preparation of Sodium Ascorbate for Intravenous and Intramuscular Administration http://www.doctoryourself.com/vitciv.html

Note: The Japanese College of Intravenous Therapy (JCIT) was founded in 2007. JCIT has organized educational seminar on intravenous nutrient therapy and integrative medicine for 13 years. JCIT now consists of 850 active members of physician and dentists. Every year, the College organizes 10 or more educational seminars with protocols for intravenous vitamin C therapy, mainly along with the Riordan Protocol, for patients with acute and chronic diseases. More than 2500 physicians in Japan have learned these protocols, and patients can easily find member’s clinics all over Japan. In addition, JCIT recommends that physicians stock extra vitamin C vials in case of a pandemic. The JCIT website (Japanese language only): https://www.iv-therapy.org

 

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Immune Response – Vitamin C VS Pneumonia

This is an article by Dr. Andrew Saul, of DoctorYourself.com.  I have read with fascination most of his site, following links and reading other doctors’s work along the same lines.  This is life-giving information, and most of it is free and easy to do.

Sounds too good to be true?

It isn’t.  Your body knows how to heal itself.  You just have to give it a fighting chance.

Read this article he wrote about Vitamin C VS pneumonia, and remember that Coronavirus is a VIRUS and that most of the Chinese deaths are attributed to PNEUMONIA.

Some physicians would stand by and see their patients die rather than use ascorbic acid. Vitamin C should be given to the patient while the doctors ponder the diagnosis.”  (Frederick R. Klenner, M.D.)

Like a country veterinarian, I drove my red ’78 Ford pickup along a vacant road to a client’s rural home out near Pavillion, New York. Driving along in the middle of nowhere (and even in New York State there are still such places) to a house call was not my usual routine, but on a sunny spring day like this, it was a taste of the life of James Herriot.

I pulled up the long driveway to the cedar-shingled house where my appointment was scheduled.  Going to the side door, I met the father and mother, who showed me into the dining area, where I met a perfectly normal looking nine-year-old boy.  He was blond, fair-skinned and a bit skinny.  His name was Charles.

Charles had practically no immune system to speak of. His mother told the tale:

“He’s been in and out of Children’s Hospital, again and again. He’s home, he gets a sniffle, then he clogs up and can’t breathe, then it’s pneumonia, then he’s back to the hospital. This happens every few weeks, over and over again, and has been going on for years. The doctors said there is nothing they can do except give him antibiotics. They said his immune system isn’t working. They do not know why. They are out of ideas, and we are at our wits end over this.” She really did look wrung out.

“What can you do?” asked the father, politely but just barely so.  He looked like his nerves were frayed, too.  I paused for a moment to collect a thought.

“Does he take vitamins?” I asked

“A multiple vitamin, nearly every day,” the mother answered. “Sometimes I give him some vitamin C, but it hasn’t helped.”

“Maybe his body needs more of it,” I said, taking the plunge. “There are 50 years of scientific literature on successful vitamin C megadose therapy.  Much of it comes from the two dozen or so published papers of Frederick Robert Klenner, MD, of Reidsville, North Carolina.”

“How much did he use?” the father said.

“A whole lot; more than you’d ever imagine giving to a nine-year-old. Klenner used somewhere between 350 and 1,000 milligrams of vitamin C per kilogram body-weight per day.”

“We’ve given Charlie 500 milligrams sometimes,” said his mother.

“Dr. Klenner gave that amount or more per kilogram patient body weight per day,” I explained.  “A kilogram is 2.2 pounds.  What do you weigh, Charlie?”

“75 pounds, I think,” Charlie said. “Maybe a little less.”

“All right, that’s about, oh, 33 kilograms or so. Dr. Klenner would have given you somewhere between 11,000 and 30,000 milligrams.”

“A day?” said his mother.

“Yes.”

“That seems like an awful lot of vitamin C,” said his father.  “How safe is it?”

“Klenner was a very competent doctor, who practiced for some 35 years. He wrote that ‘Vitamin C is the safest and most effective substance available to the physician.’  Robert F. Cathcart, MD, out in San Diego, California gives as much as 200 thousand milligrams.”

“A day?” repeated the mother.

“Yes,” I said.

“Well, nothing else has done him any good,” said the father.  All the doctors do is tell us to stick him in a steamy shower when he can’t breathe, and we have to keep him there all night sometimes. Then he gets bronchitis. Last time, it went to meningitis.”

“What do you think we should do, then, exactly?” asked his mother. She posed the question, all right, but didn’t sound very optimistic.  It would be hard to blame her.

“Since the doctors have tried all they know, maybe it is time to try something else.
You could start raising Charlie’s daily vitamin C intake, and really take it up high if he starts to get sick.”

“How high?” asked the father.

“If he gets sick?  At least 11,000 milligrams a day, maybe twice that. Enough so his symptoms stop.”

If John Dillinger had told J. Edgar Hoover that he’d never even been in a bank, you could not have gotten a more skeptical look than the one I got then.

“All right, thank you,” said the father.

I left with my fee and without much confidence in this one.

It was only days later that I got a call at about 10 AM. It was Charlie’s mother, and she was not happy.

“It’s started again,” she said. “It’s started again. Charlie is sneezing and he’s coughing and he’s gasping and we’ve just put him in the shower.  What am I supposed to do again?”

I went over the protocol once more: give Charlie as much vitamin C as he could hold, at least 11,000 milligrams before the day was over.

“OK,” she said. “This had better work.”

That’s what I was thinking, too.

At about 6 PM I got another call.

“I can’t believe it,” came the voice of Charlie’s mother. “I cannot believe it. He’s actually getting better.  He’s getting better!”

She told me that Charlie’s symptoms had gone away during the afternoon. He’d had around 12,000 to 14,000 milligrams of vitamin C that day. No medicines. No more showers. No hospital visit.

“No kidding!” I said.  “That’s really great.”

“Now what?” said the mother.

“As a preventive, continue to keep his vitamin C level high each day, maybe 4,000 milligrams or even more. Dr. Klenner said that children can take their age in grams (thousands of milligrams) of C each day, as a maintenance dose. My own kids seemed to do fine with around half that.  The exact amount will be the amount that keeps Charlie well. Remember that we don’t take the amount of C that we think we should take; we take the amount of C that does the job. My corny little jingle is, ‘Take enough C to be symptom free, whatever that amount might be.”‘

“So when he’s sick, give him enough to get him well, and when he’s well, give him enough to keep him that way?”

“Right,” I replied.

“That seems too simple to be the answer,” said his mother.

“The hospital tried everything else, true?” I reminded her.

“Yes.”

“And what worked?”

“The vitamin C is the only thing that’s worked,” she said. “Normally he’d be in the hospital by now. There must be something to this.”

There is. And for such a good idea, the spread of this knowledge has been exceptionally slow.  Furthermore, for such a useful therapy, medical-political hindrance has been unbelievably high. Nowhere is this more apparent than in the case of Dr. Linus Pauling.

Linus Pauling, PhD is one of history’s great chemists, and his textbooks and huge output of scientific papers continue to foreshadow generations of research. Pauling is the only person, ever, to win two unshared Nobel prizes. The first, normally enough, was for pioneering work into the detailed nature of chemical bonds. The second was for peace, after it was eventually appreciated that Pauling’s position against atmospheric nuclear weapons testing was the correct one.  Neither of these awards prepared the world for what was to follow: Pauling suggested that vitamin C might be effective against the common cold. It would be difficult to imagine that the practical medical applications of ascorbic acid would cause more of a ruckus than Pauling’s complete overhaul of our knowledge of chemistry, or the vicious blacklisting that Pauling got from the US government when he opposed nuclear testing.  But it is true none the less.

Pauling reviewed several dozen supposedly open-and-thoroughly shut papers that concluded that vitamin C was, after careful trial, unsuccessful at slowing, stopping or preventing the common cold.  He found that the researchers had failed to interpret their own work fairly, or even accurately.  In virtually every instance, Pauling found that the effect of vitamin C was, at the very least, statistically significant.  Again and again, the authors of the studies had written biased opinions and passed them off as valid summaries of their work.

These authors were simply wrong: science repeatedly demonstrates vitamin C is indeed an effective anti-viral. You can, if you like, confirm this with a trip to the library. In addition to Pauling and Klenner, you might investigate the work of Robert F. Cathcart III, MD; William J. McCormick, MD; Dr. Irwin Stone; and Emanual Cheraskin, MD. They managed to get their work published; can you manage to locate it? And would you care for a hint?

Okay: Do not rely on a computer search into a medical or nutritional data base. It probably will not uncover the authors I cite. Why? Because what gets indexed is what is selected to be indexed. Who controls such selection? Whoever generates the index, that’s who, and editors generally include what conventional medical doctrine approves of and what they agree with. In the same way that you will not find too many versions of The Complete Works of William Shakespeare in a dirty book store, you are unlikely to easily locate favorable megavitamin research papers at your library. Sad, but true: too many of my students have come back to me, whining that they can’t find my references. Look folks, if I can, you can.

You will need to shun the “assistance” of the American Medical Association, the Food and Drug Administration, the American Dietetic Association, and other incumbent power groups with highly politicized agendas. Do your own search the old fashioned way: by author, and by hand.  Possibly you can interest a librarian in helping you. I provide several good reference lists in this website.  A number of the sources I provide are “old” (that is, often dating from the 1950s, and 60s and 70s) and are sometimes from smaller, lesser known, or regional journals.  Nevertheless, the truth is out there.

If it is, then why is it so obscured? Why don’t we know and see and hear more of it? Simple: it is vastly easier to get an anti-vitamin study published than a pro-vitamin study. Not only that, when you expose an anti-vitamin study as flawed, strong forces are at work to keep your criticism from ever being published.  .

Let me show you.  Countless news shows, newspapers, and textbooks have proclaimed that vitamin C in megadoses does no good, and in fact does harm.  Here are two of the most widely known, but completely false, “facts” about vitamin C.
Vitamin Myth #1:  “Your body doesn’t absorb extra vitamin C.  All you get from taking vitamin supplements is expensive urine.”

Urine is what is left over after your kidneys purify your blood. If your urine contains extra vitamin C, that vitamin C was in your blood. If the vitamin was in your blood, you absorbed it just fine. Think about that.

You can swallow a marble (but please don’t) and find it in the toilet bowl a couple of days later. That is because your food tube, or alimentary canal, is essentially just a hollow 25-foot hose connecting your mouth to your anus. That swallowed marble is “in” your body geographically, but it is not in your body the way your blood is.  If you stick your finger through the hole of a donut, you might say your finger is “inside” the donut, but it is not in the donut the way the flour and sugar are, right?  We can turn you upside down and shake you, and you’ll probably barf up your most recent meal, maybe even that marble.  Your blood won’t come out of you, though. If something is in your blood, it is really in you, fully and utterly absorbed.

Standing at the base of the Hoover Dam looking up, you cannot tell how much water is behind it.  However, by observing the overflow spillway, you can tell: if the spillway is dry and dusty, full of tumbleweeds, and foxes are making their dens their, there has been a drought for some time, and the water level in the dam must be low.  If enough water is pouring down the spillway for white-water rafting, the dam must be full. Wasting indicates fullness, just as a cup overflowing is truly a full cup. Urine spillage of vitamin C indicates that you have some to waste, then and there. It does not indicate bodily saturation; bowel tolerance (loose stool) indicates saturation. One takes just enough C to stay just below that level.

It is the absence of water-soluble vitamins such as vitamin C in urine that indicates vitamin deficiency.  If your body excretes vitamins in your urine, that is a sign that you are well nourished and have nutrients to spare. It is easier to put a twenty in the Salvation Army pot at Christmas time if you have a few grand to spend shopping. So many Americans are credit-card shoppers and deficit spenders. We are also deficit eaters, trying to obtain a ridiculously low US RDA of vitamins from a selection of nutritionally wimpy foods that cannot really meet any of our vitamin or mineral needs abundantly. Vitamin supplements are a solution, not a problem.
Vitamin Myth #2:  “Vitamin C causes kidney stones.”

First of all, I have never seen any scientific evidence to back up that statement.  I’ve had literally hundreds of students and health practitioners looking for years for any controlled study demonstrating a vitamin C caused kidney stone and so far I have received… nearly one… submission.  That’s a jocular way of saying “none.”

I bet if I show you a picture of a unicorn, you will easily recognize it. Everybody has heard about unicorns. You can describe one in detail. You could probably draw a unicorn. You can see one in your mind right now. Yet unicorns do not exist. They are imaginary, without substance or proof. Just like a vitamin C kidney stone. The vitamin C-kidney-stone myth is the best known non-fact in non-existence. Every medical doctor has heard of one, and none of them has ever seen one.

If you haven’t been on the inside, it is hard to believe that a vitamin can start a scientific civil war. Pauling has been there, and what you uncover when you join him is that it’s more real than any other conspiracy theory that you’ve ever heard about. (So where is Oliver Stone when we need him?) Pauling speaks from much experience as he discusses this in his exceptionally interesting book, How to Live Longer and Feel Better. This work, and Lendon Smith’s Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C (which is about that Dr. Klenner fellow, mentioned earlier) are surely the twentieth century’s ultimate treatises on megavitamin-C therapy “quackery.”

The problem remains that a highly distinguished Stanford University professor lost a reputation he worked 50 years to make within days of the publication of his book that started all the hoopla, Vitamin C and the Common Cold. What did he do? Pauling primarily publicized the work of physicians like Dr. Klenner, a crime against humanity if there ever was one. What did Klenner do? He healed the sick, and wrote down what did it.

I read both Klenner and Pauling. And then I needed them myself, badly. Because I seem to have this little problem with pneumonia.

The first time I had viral pneumonia, I was sick as a dog. My wife had bronchitis at the same time. We looked so awful that my father took us both to the doctor.  The doctor saw her first, and prescribed Erythromycin, an antibiotic. Then it was my turn. He gave me Erythromycin, too.

“But isn’t that useless against a virus?” I asked him.

“Yes. It’s for the secondary bacterial infection that often follows the viral infection,” he told me. “There’s not much we can do about the virus except have you rest in bed.”

So I did, knocked silly by codeine cough medicine. For two, perhaps three days, I was in La-la Land, not knowing or caring if I ate or not, or if it was day of night.  I could barely tell if I was asleep or awake.

Nice vacation though it was, neither the codeine nor the erythromycin really cured the pneumonia. The body did, and it took something less than two weeks for me to recover.

The next time I got pneumonia, I did it my way (well, their way) and followed the Klenner/Pauling protocol: take enough vitamin C to get well, no matter how much it may be. This initially makes a lot more sense if you are really, really sick. Pneumonia sets that part up effectively enough.

So there I was, coughing without a pause with a fever of nearly 104, playing Scrabble. I literally emptied a bottle of 1 gram (1,000 mg) tablets onto the table, lined them up two by two, and took 2,000 milligrams of vitamin C every six minutes. In three hours, that amounts to 60,000 milligrams.  And three hours is what it took to lower my fever three degrees and stop my cough completely.

 

YOU CAN READ TWO OF THE BEST BOOKS ON VITAMIN C THERAPY FOR FREE. Dr. Klenner’s Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C is now posted in its entirety at http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/198x/smith-lh-clinical_guide_1988.htm
The complete text of Irwin Stone’s book The Healing Factor is now posted for free reading at http://vitamincfoundation.org/stone/
Copyright C 2003 and prior years Andrew W. Saul. Revisions copyright 2018.

Andrew Saul is the author of the books FIRE YOUR DOCTOR! How to be Independently Healthy (reader reviews at http://www.doctoryourself.com/review.html ) and DOCTOR YOURSELF: Natural Healing that Works. (reviewed at http://www.doctoryourself.com/saulbooks.html )

 

2020 Quarterly Opinion Poll – Time For You To Do Some Sharing

Its January, 2020.  We just escaped a war by the mercy of Yahuah, and wow, what a turn-around that was.  Awesome, and let’s pray for Mr. Trump.

Linked below is my short, quite handsome quarterly opinion survey where you get to share with me whatever you think you need to share.  I am looking for spiritual honesty, whether you can walk on water or need to sober up before you respond.

This is important and we need to sharpen the spear because 2020 will be a shocking year.  Its already been a shocking year and we aren’t even through the 2nd weekend yet.

Start thinking, and submit this to me tonight if possible.

2020 Quarterly Survey

From the Book THE RISE AND FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE – The Specific Destruction of The Way

In researching the post I made yesterday, scouring the impossible corners of history to discover Roman edicts 2000 years old, I came across this information.  When I initially scanned it, not finding what I was searching for, I closed the tab and automatically advanced to the next one.  As I reviewed the historical data on the following tab, my heart instructed me to reopen the tab I just closed and read the entire page.  The page is difficult to read because it is an entire huge book scanned into a .pdf.  Letters are missing from words, the pages are curved in many places, the text is small and super small to print, etc.

But I went back and started reading at the top.

What I read stunned me.

The book THE RISE AND FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE is one of the premier historical works of all time.  In fact, it is right up there with the Holy Bible in terms of depth of information and clout with historians.  I have a degree in history myself, and often get sucked into interesting historical matters.  All of my kids groan “not a documentary, dad” when I suggest a movie.  I’m a nerd, for sure.  And an armed one with the skills to fight.  Just sayin’.

What I read was quite powerful from the perspective of being of the Natsarim.  We are few, and hated.  Even our own families, our wives or husbands, our children, co-workers and former friends often despise us because we do not worship Christianity as the Christians do, but rather we worship Yahuah by obeying His commands.  Obedience is worship.  Disobedience is sin.  One cannot claim that sin is worship.  “Are we to glorify God by sinning all the more?”, Paul asked.  “May Yahuah forbid it”, he said.  The only acceptable form of worship Yahuah accepts is obedience to His Words.  Anything else is a lie.

Now, let’s see what broke the Natsarim 1600 years ago…

THE DECLINE AND FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE.

I will comment on parts of this in an italic font

Page 387…when’ numerous and opulent societies were established in the great cities of the empire, in Antioch, Alexandria, Ephesus, Cor­inth, and Rome, the reverence which Jerusalem had inspired to all the Christian colonies insensibly diminished.- wealth and new and beautiful cities were springing up, much like Ha Shatan promised Yahusha in his attempt to pull Yahusha away from Yahuah. This opulence has an allure to humans.  We love wealth and riches.  The Christians, a recognized Roman religion, had less reverence for Jerusalem because of the man-made glory of the new cities.

The Jewish converts, (the formers Jews who had accepted Yahusha and obeyed Yahuah through Torah are the “Jewish converts”) or, as they were afterwards called, the Nazarenes,(Nazarenes is an antiquated translation error.  The more correct spelling is Natsarim) who had laid the foundations of the church, (the beginning after Yahusha ascended to heaven, then Pentecost and the birth of the church.  Paul was the Torah teacher to the gentiles, practiced The Way, and was executed for it.)  found themselves overwhelmed by the increasing multitudes, that from all the vari­ous religions of Polytheism enlisted under the banner of Christ : and the Gentiles, who, with the approbation (Official approval) of their peculiar apostle (whatever teacher was teaching them at any given time), had rejected the intolerable weight of the Mosaic cere­monies, at length refused to their more scrupulous brethren (refused to the faithful Natsarim) the same toleration (hatred of the Natsarim begins in disobedient Christianity) which at first they had humbly solicited for their own (pagan) practice. The ruin of the temple of the city (Jerusalem), and (ruin) of the pub­lic religion of the Jews (Torah obedience), was severely felt by the Nazarenes (Natsarim);

–Ok, so far we see the Natsarim (plural for Natsari) are somewhat fewer in number than perhaps all other religious groups in the Roman Empire.  Even people who worshiped multiple gods did so in the name of Yahusha.  The gentiles, and that word simply means non-jew, had teachers who obviously taught that obedience to Yahuah was out, was no longer required, and then began attacking the worship of the Natsarim.

 

as in their manners (the Natsari continued to try and get along with the unfaithful)), though not in their faith (In the Natsari heart, they believed Torah), they maintained so inti­mate a connection with their impious countrymen, whose misfortunes were attributed by the Pagans to the contempt, and -more justly ascribed by the Christians to the wrath, of the Supreme Deity. The Nazarenes retired from the ruins of Jerusalem * to the little town of Pella beyond the Jordan, where that ancient church languished above sixty years in solitude and obscurity.lg ~h~y still enjoyed the comfort of making frequent and devout Visits to the Holy City, and the hope of being one day restored to those seats which both nature and religion taught them to love as well as to revere.

 

But at length, under the reign of Hadrian, the desperate fanaticism of the Jews (the Jew hatred of Natsarim – they killed Paul for it) filled up the measure of their calamities; and the Romans, exasperated by their repeated rebellions, exercised the rights of victory with unusual rigor. The emperor founded, under the name of Aelia Capitolina, (changed the name of Jerusalem) a new city of Mount Sion, to which he gave the privileges of a colony; and denouncing the severest penalties against any of the Jewish people who should dare to approach its precincts, he fixed a vigilant garrison of a Roman cohort to enforce the execution of his orders. The Nazarenes (Natsarim) had only one way left to escape the common proscription (proscription made the Natsarim outlaws, forbidden to enter Jerusalem/Aelia Capitolina), and the force of truth was on this occasion arrested by the influence of temporal advantages. They elected (pied-piper) Marcus for their bishop, (a Latin or Greek and surely Catholic) prelate of the race of the Gentiles, and most probably a native either of Italy or of some of the Latin provinces.

The first fifteen bishops of Jerusalem were all circumcised Jews; and the congregation over which they presided united the law of Moses with the doctrine of Christ.  Marcus was uncircumcised,

At Marcus’ persuasion, the most considerable part of the congregation renounced the Mosaic law, in the practice of which they had persevered from the beginning, above a century. By this sacrifice of their habits and prejudices (of Torah), they purchased a free admission into the colony of Hadrian, and more firmly cemented their union with the Catholic church. 21

— note here: Reading this I get the sick feeling that Hadrian, arguably the most powerful ruler of Rome who ever lived, was bought off by either the Jews or the Catholics to specifically break the Way.  I lean toward the Catholics paying the bribe and the Jews creating the conflicts.  But Hadrian expelled ALL Jews from Jerusalem and forbid their re-entry.  He made it an exclusive colony, and since the non-Hebrew Natsarim wanted to worship there, they succumbed to pressure and most of them gave in to pied-piper Marcus’ demands to drop Torah obedience.  No 7th day sabbath and no 14th Nisan passover were key attack points by Satan, and the Catholics, in blatant rebellion against Yahuah, declared Sun-day the sabbath (and the weekly pagan sun-worship holy day of Mithraism) and the pagan feast of Ishtar (fertility goddess) to be passover, aka “Easter”. — end

“When the name and honors of the church of Jerusalem had been restored to Mount Sion, the crimes of heresy and schism were imputed to the obscure remnant of the Nazarenes (the Natsarim who did not choose rebellion against Yahuah), which re­fused to accompany their Latin bishop. They still preserved their former habitation of Pella, spread themselves into the vil­lages adjacent to Damascus, and formed an inconsiderable church in the city of Berrea, or, as it is now called, of Aleppo, in Syria. (Horror – this is the very area where the US Army, the Russians and the Syrians have been fighting for years.  There are the remnant Natsarim who have followed Yahuah for 2000 years.  These are the million+ dead “Christians” who are not allowed to seek refuge in America)

“The name of ‘Nazarenes’ was deemed too honorable for those Chris­tian Jews, and they soon received, from the supposed poverty of their understanding, as well as of their condition, the contemptuous epithet of ‘Ebionites’.23 In a few years after the return of the church of Jerusalem, it became a matter of doubt and contro­versy; whether a man who sincerely acknowledged Jesus as the Messiah, but who still continued to observe the law of Moses, could possibly hope for salvation. (and this is where the lie that if we obey the stated will of Yahuah in Torah we therefore reject the salvation of Yahusha gets its beginning)

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So you see, the pressure was put on the Natsarim to abandon Torah, to abandon obedience to Yahuah in exchange for admission to Jerusalem, and the abandonment was led by a Bishop named Marcus, an uncircumcised and almost certainly Catholic Bishop.  These were mostly Jews who accepted Yahusha as Mashiach, so they held onto Yahusha and abandoned Yahuah by abandoning His commands.  All for admittance to Jerusalem and unity with the Catholic Church.  You can be sure that the Catholics were the drivers in all of this.

Keep Torah (“Instructions”) because it is the Word of Yahuah.  Sin is disobedience of the Instructions.  Easter is a pagan festival and December 25th is the celebration of the birth of Horus.

From the On-line News Organization The Guardian…

“The Sumerian goddess Inanna, or Ishtar, was hung naked on a stake, and was subsequently resurrected and ascended from the underworld. One of the oldest resurrection myths is Egyptian Horus. Born on 25 December, Horus and his damaged eye became symbols of life and rebirth. Mithras was born on what we now call Christmas day, and his followers celebrated the spring equinox. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2010/apr/03/easter-pagan-symbolism

To conclude – Natsarism, that of being Natsari, or keeping Torah and submitting to Yahusha – was hated from the beginning by the Jews and then by the Catholics.  Its almost funny, except it isn’t.  We are the only group of people on earth that Satan specifically comes to destroy.  Obviously, Natsarim are the elect, the most precious of all who follow Yahusha.  We do seek to worship Yahuah, and obedience to His Torah (Torah Notes – The Truth) is the path of obedient worship.

If you are Natsari, you are in the most loved and hated band of believers in history.  Hated by the enemies of Yahuah, and loved by the Creator.  Specifically targeted by Ha Shatan, and specifically called by Yahuah.  If you are not yet Natsari, ask Yahuah to show you the Truth.  Learn what words mean, words that you think you already understand mean powerfully different things in Hebrew usage.  Very important.

I Am Not For Nothing

I know that Yahuah will get His investment out of me.  His Word will return to Him with a good return on investment.  He raised me up from the darkness of death and hell.  He brought me out of the dark heart of wickedness.  He taught me His Words.  He and He alone saved me.  He saved me although I am unworthy of salvation in every way.  My body is a carbon-based machine made from dirt, and my being was created and made alive by and through the Will of Yahuah.

Because if Him I exist, and only because of Him.

In my life on earth, I have crawled through my existence many times on my knees, tears running off my face; despair coursing through my veins.  I have aged and aged and aged.  Now I am old, and alone.  I am laughed at and ridiculed.  I am rejected by my own flesh and blood; ignored by those who have known me my whole life.  My children turn their face from praise of Yahuah.  My former church refused any word I offered them, calling me an outsider, different, and “not like them”.

But I know my Father.  I know He loves me and cares for me.  Although I am poor, He has His eye on me.  Though I sin, He offers mercy to me, and promise, and hope.  His sun He gives me; His blue sky, His clouds, rivers and grass.  He gives me the laughter of children, the song of birds; the music of rain; trees, flowers and peace.  He gives me peace.

He teaches me always.  His throne I see.  His authority I submit to and respect.  He is rightfully God.  Those in Heaven love Him.  They turn to face Him constantly.  They love Him.  There is joy there.  There is laughter and there is total love for one another.  No fear exists there.  No self-consciousness.  No sense even of self, for all live in the love of Yahuah.

He told me that He comes to separate the Righteous from the unrighteous, and that when He separates the Righteous from the wicked, there will be suffering.  The suffering will be intense, and He specifically causes it, not Satan.  It is Yahuah who swings the flaming sword.  It is His method and His Will.  Fear Him.

We are known by our deeds – our obedience to His commands.  Only Satan will teach that we need not study and obey the commands of Yahuah.  Only Satan teaches that.

So although I am nothing, I have everything.  Though I walk through this valley of death, I do not fear the evil in it because I know that Yahuah is beside me.  He is always near me.  He is right by my side in the grieving of my very soul, and when He comes for me, I am ready.

I am not for nothing.

My Spirit Briefly Detached From My Body

My mother once told me that I live a charmed life.  It’s a fact, I do.  She told me that no matter how hard and far I fall, I always rebound stronger, faster and better.  Its true.  Continue reading “My Spirit Briefly Detached From My Body”

Satanic Ritual Abuse: Creating A Satanic Army Everywhere You Live

Satanic Ritual Abuse feeds demonic power into the human abusers. The abuse is specifically to bring in demons to an immediate area, and direct the power of those demons into the people abusing the children. The purpose is to create ever greater power on earth for Satan to use the instant the Restrainer is taken away by Yahuah. As you will see here, Continue reading “Satanic Ritual Abuse: Creating A Satanic Army Everywhere You Live”

Jewish Talmud Permits Child-Adult Sex. The Synagogue of Satan.

Talmud Permits Child-Adult Sex

Talmud law permits sexual intercourse between children and adults. This doctrine is contained in a number of Talmud Mishnahs. Before we examine them, however, it is necessary that the reader be familiar with the word kethubah.

According to the Soncino Talmud Glossary:

KETHUBAH (Lit., ‘a written [document]’); (a) a wife’s marriage settlement which she is entitled to recover on her being divorced or on the death of her husband. The minimum settlement for a virgin is two hundred zuz, and for a widow remarrying one hundred zuz; (b) the marriage contract specifying the mutual obligations between husband and wife and containing the amount of the endowment and any other special financial obligations assumed by the husband.

— Babylonian Talmud, Soncino Talmud Glossary

Zuz is a unit of currency. We see, then, that a dollar (or zuz) value is put on virginity.

Now let’s look at a Mishnah from Kethuboth 11a:

MISHNAH. WHEN A GROWN-UP MAN (7) HAS HAD SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH (8) A LITTLE GIRL, (9) OR WHEN A SMALL BOY (10) HAS INTERCOURSE WITH A GROWN-UP WOMAN, OR [WHEN A GIRL WAS ACCIDENTALLY] INJURED BY A PIECE OF WOOD (11) — [IN ALL THESE CASES] THEIR KETHUBAH IS TWO HUNDRED [ZUZ] …

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kethuboth 11a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 57

The translator, Rabbi Dr. Samuel Daiches, amplifies the text with footnotes:

  1. A man who was of age.
  2. Lit., ‘who came on’.
  3. Less than three years old.
  4. Less than nine years of age.
  5. Lit., ‘One who was injured by wood’, as a result of which she injured the hymen.

— Rabbi Dr. Daiches

Let’s review the above-cited Mishnah: “When a grown-up man has had sexual intercourse with a little girl, or when a small boy has intercourse with a grown-up woman …” It is obvious that sex activity between a grown man and a little girl, and between a grown woman and a little boy, is a part of the woof and the warp of everyday Talmud life; such relationships, in the eyes of the Sages, are unremarkable. There is no prohibition on sexual activity between adults and young children — it is simply regulated. Recall the words of the Very Reverend the Chief Rabbi of the British Empire the late Dr. Joseph Herman Hertz:

Religion in the Talmud attempts to penetrate the whole of human life with the sense of law and right. Nothing human is in its eyes mean or trivial; everything is regulated and sanctified by religion. Religious precept and duty accompany man from his earliest years to the grave and beyond it. They guide his desires and actions at every moment.

— Rabbi Dr. Hertz (38)

Thus, if the Talmud permits girls three years old and younger to be sexually used by adults, that is the law. The concern of the Sages is to ensure that the adult is not, technically speaking, in violation of any of the rules.

Regenerating Virginity

In the Gemara that follows the Mishnah of Kethuboth 11a (cited above), the Sages discuss the issues. They say having intercourse with a girl younger than three is like putting a finger in the eye. Rabbi Dr. Daiches explains in the footnotes that, just as tears come to the eye again and again, so does virginity come back to the little girl under three years.

GEMARA. Rab Judah said that Rab said: A small boy who has intercourse with a grown-up woman makes her [as though she were] injured by a piece of wood. (1) When I said it before Samuel he said: ‘Injured by a piece of wood’ does not apply to (2) flesh. Some teach this teaching by itself: (3) [As to] a small boy who has intercourse with a grown-up woman, Rab said, he makes her [as though she were] injured by a piece of wood; whereas Samuel said: ‘Injured by a piece of wood’ does not apply to flesh. R. Oshaia objected: WHEN A GROWN-UP MAN HAS HAD INTERCOURSE WITH A LITTLE GIRL, OR WHEN A SMALL BOY HAS INTERCOURSE WITH A GROWN-UP WOMAN, OR WHEN A GIRL WAS ACCIDENTALLY INJURED BY A PIECE OF WOOD — [IN ALL THESE CASES] THEIR KETHUBAH IS TWO HUNDRED [ZUZ]; SO ACCORDING TO R. MEIR. BUT THE SAGES SAY: A GIRL WHO WAS INJURED ACCIDENTALLY BY A PIECE OF WOOD — HER KETHUBAH IS A MANEH! (4) Raba said, It means (5) this: When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing, for when the girl is less than this, (6) it is as if one puts the finger into the eye; (7) but when a small boy has intercourse with a grown-up woman he makes her as ‘a girl who is injured by a piece of wood,’ and [with regard to the case of] ‘a girl injured by a piece of wood,’ itself, there is the difference of opinion between R. Meir and the Sages.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kethuboth 11b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 57-58

Rabbi Dr. Samuel Daiches amplifies the text with footnotes (page 58):

  1. Although the intercourse of a small boy is not regarded as a sexual act, nevertheless the woman is injured by it as by a piece of wood.
  2. Lit., ‘is not in’.
  3. I.e., the difference of opinion between Rab and Samuel with regard to that question was recorded without any reference to R. Judah.
  4. The Sages differ only with regard to a girl injured by a piece of wood, but not with regard to a small boy who has intercourse with a grown-up woman. This shows that the latter case cannot be compared with the former case. The Mishnah would consequently be against Rab and for Samuel.
  5. Lit., ‘says’.
  6. Lit., ‘here’, that is, less than three years old.
  7. I.e., tears come to the eye again and again, so does virginity come back to the little girl under three years. Cf. Nid. 45a.

— Rabbi Dr. Daiches

To a person unaccustomed with the Talmud culture, it may seem that discussion of sexual intercourse between grown men and very young girls is merely theoretical. But as we shall see, cases are cited, judgments are weighed and debated, and the Sages discuss the wounds suffered by the young girls as a result of the intercourse.

More on Regenerating Virginity

We know that the amount of a woman’s kethubah depends on her virginity on her wedding day. But what of a woman who, as a little girl below the age of three years, was raped or otherwise subjected to sexual intercourse? The Sages rule that the kethubah of such a woman is set as if she were still a virgin.

MISHNAH. A WOMAN PROSELYTE, A WOMAN CAPTIVE, AND A WOMAN SLAVE, WHO HAVE BEEN REDEEMED, CONVERTED, OR FREED [WHEN THEY WERE] LESS THAN THREE YEARS AND ONE DAY OLD — THEIR KETHUBAH IS TWO HUNDRED [ZUZ]. AND THERE IS WITH REGARD TO THEM THE CLAIM OF [NON-]VIRGINITY. (17)

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kethuboth 11a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 54

This seems like a generous and humanitarian ruling, the creation of a legal fiction of virginity when the woman is no longer physiologically a virgin. But Dr. Daiches corrects us. He tells us that, according to the Sages, the hymen of a girl younger than three literally grows back again.

  1. If they had sexual intercourse before they were three years and one day old the hymen would grow again, and they would be virgins. V. 9a and 11b and cf. Nid. 44b and 45a.

— Rabbi Dr. Daiches (25)

See also the discussion of Niddah 44b and 45a, below.

As we continue to explore the Talmud doctrines on child-adult sex, we will see further confirmation that the Talmud Sages believed that the hymen regenerates in a girl younger than three.

“… Of Lesser Age, No Guilt is Incurred”

In modern America, sex between an adult and a child is condemned in proportion to the youth of the child. That is, Americans generally consider sex with a fifteen year old, a twelve year old, a six year old, and a three-year-old on a continuous scale of condemnation. The younger the child, the greater the condemnation.

Talmudic law works on the reverse scale: sex with younger children is less significant than sex with older children. How did this doctrine come about?

Scripture states thus:

  1. Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 18:22 (KJV)

The Old Testament prohibits a man lying with a man; but notice, the Old Testament does not prohibit a man lying with a boy. Thus, the Talmud Sages arrive at their position on pederasty. In the following, bestiality said to be committed “naturally” when a man uses the vaginal passage of the beast, and “unnaturally” when a man uses the anal passage of the beast. The Sages make a similar distinction for the couplings of a woman with a beast.

GEMARA. … Rab said: Pederasty with a child below nine years of age is not deemed as pederasty with a child above that. Samuel said: Pederasty with a child below three years is not treated as with a child above that. (2) What is the basis of their dispute? — Rab maintains that only he who is able to engage in sexual intercourse, may, as the passive subject of pederasty throw guilt [upon the active offender]; whilst he who is unable to engage in sexual intercourse cannot be a passive subject of pederasty [in that respect]. (3) But Samuel maintains: Scripture writes, [And thou shalt not lie with mankind] as with the lyings of a woman. (4)

It has been taught in accordance with Rab: Pederasty at the age of nine years and a day; [55a] [he] who commits bestiality, whether naturally or unnaturally; or a woman who causes herself to be bestially abused, whether naturally or unnaturally, is liable to punishment. (5)

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 54b – 55a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 371

The translator, Rabbi Dr. H. Freedman, amplifies the text with footnotes. Note particularly footnote 2: “… but if one committed sodomy with a child of lesser age, no guilt is incurred.” See also the final sentence of footnote 5: “… nine years (and a day) is the minimum age of the passive partner for the adult to be liable.” (See Soncino Talmud Glossary for definition of Baraitha.)

  1. I.e., Rab makes nine years the minimum; but if one committed sodomy with a child of lesser age, no guilt is incurred. Samuel makes three the minimum.
  2. At nine years a male attains sexual matureness.
  3. Lev. XVIII, 22. Thus the point of comparison is the sexual matureness of woman, which is reached at the age of three.
  4. (Rashi reads [H] instead of the [H] in our printed texts. A male, aged nine years and a day who commits etc.] There are thus three distinct clauses in this Baraitha. The first — a male aged nine years and a day — refers to the passive subject of pederasty, the punishment being incurred by the adult offender. This must be its meaning — because firstly, the active offender is never explicitly designated as a male, it being understood, just as the Bible states, Thou shalt not lie with mankind, where only the sex of the passive participant is mentioned; and secondly, if the age reference is to the active party, the guilt being incurred by the passive adult party, why single out pederasty: in all crimes of incest, the passive adult does not incur guilt unless the other party is at least nine years and a day? Hence the Baraitha supports Rab’s contention that nine years (and a day) is the minimum age of the passive partner for the adult to be liable.

— Rabbi Dr. Freedman

The plain English meaning of the Talmud text is clear, but if there is any doubt, the Soncino scholars put the matter to rest: No guilt is incurred with a boy child younger than nine, even in incest. Thus we see that Orthodox Jewish doctrines concerning homosexuality are not accurately represented by Dr. Laura and other Orthodox spokesmen.

Out of Context?

When quoted, those passages in Tractate Sanhedrin 54b and 55a are sometimes said to be taken out of context. Theologian James Trimm is one who makes this protest.(6) But now the full context of Sanhedrin 54b and 55a — and indeed, the complete Sanhedrin — is available to the readers of Come and Hear™.

Rabbi Michael Rodkinson, whose English translation of the Talmud was republished in 1918, censored the Sages’ teaching on this issue. The 1918 Edition of Rabbi Rodkinson’s Talmud was published under the editorship of Rabbi Dr. I. M. Wise, the pioneer of Reform Judaism. Rabbi Rodkinson explains his censorship in a footnote:

We deem it expedient not to translate about two pages of the text preceding the next Mishna, treating of miserable crimes with men and animals, and giving the discussion with questions and answers, it would be undesirable to express in the English language …

— Rabbi Rodkinson (26)

For further discussion, see “Rabbi Rodkinson Censors the Talmud” in Do Not Censor the Talmud, Please.

Censorship, expurgation, and denial of the clear and obvious meaning of basic religious text do not help inter-religious understanding. It does not help people of different religions understand each others’ faiths. See What We’re About.

The lack of reliable authoritative information on the doctrines of Judaic law is a significant problem as American society and law becomes more Talmudized. Such information gaps can cause unwanted societal consequences.

America Is Rapidly Becoming Talmudized

In 1999, the Supreme Court agreed to consider an amicus brief based wholly on Talmudic law (see Sentence and Execution).

In November 2002, the American Orthodox Jewish community held a kosher dinner in the Supreme Court building to celebrate the establishment of the National Institute for Judaic Law. (31) The dinner was attended by 200 people, including three Supreme Court Justices. The purpose of the Institute is to introduce Talmudic laws into the US legal system and law schools.

It is thus the clear civic duty of every American to become intimately acquainted with the Talmud. Read articles at:
Death Penalty: http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/capunish_1.html
Kosher Dinner: http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/cp-jp-11-09-2002 and http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/cp-jw-01-08-03

 

Oedipal Incest

According to Rabbi Dr. H. Freedman (footnote 5, above), in Sanhedrin 54b-55a the Sages confirm, “in all crimes of incest, the passive adult does not incur guilt unless the other party is at least nine years and a day.” Therefore, a mother who encourages her son to have sexual intercourse with her incurs no guilt if her son is younger than nine years old and a day. In such an arrangement, the mother would be the “passive” adult, of course.

Adult Male Homosexuality

MISHNAH. HE WHO COMMITS SODOMY WITH A MALE OR A BEAST, AND A WOMAN THAT COMMITS BESTIALITY ARE STONED.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 54a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 367

This clears matters up. Consenting adults who engage in homosexuality suffer the death penalty. But homosexuality with a male child under the age of nine years and a day is not punishable (Sanhedrin 54b-55a, above). Recall Rabbi Dr. Freedman’s clear statement of the doctrine:

  1. I.e., Rab makes nine years the minimum; but if one committed sodomy with a child of lesser age, no guilt is incurred. Samuel makes three the minimum.

— Rabbi Dr. Freedman (21)

Female Homosexuality

But what of female homosexuality?

GEMARA. … Women who practise lewdness with one another are disqualified from marrying a priest.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Yebamoth 76a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 512 – 513

The same statement appears in Shabbath 65a, page 311. The ruling, then, is only that a woman who “commits lewdness” with another is disqualified from marrying a priest. Thus a woman who never had ambitions to marry a priest suffers no sanction for her homosexual activity.

All of this paints a different picture of Orthodox Jewish doctrine on homosexuality — as enshrined in the G-d-given law of the Talmud. What would Dr. Laura say if she knew? Or does she?

More on Oedipal Incest

In the following passage, the question before the Sages is this: If a mother committed incest with her son, would she still be eligible to marry a priest? As we shall see, the answer depends on the son’s age. Again, incest with a young boy is not a concern, while incest with an older boy brings consequences to the adult. Here, the Sages debate the threshold age.

GEMARA. … Our Rabbis taught: If a woman sported lewdly with her young son [a minor], and he committed the first stage of cohabitation with her, — Beth Shammai say, he thereby renders her unfit to the priesthood. Beth Hillel declare her fit. R. Hiyya the son of Rabbah b. Nahmani said in R. Hisda’s name; others state, R. Hisda said in Ze’iri’s name: All agree that the connection of a boy aged nine years and a day is a real connection; whilst that of one less than eight years is not: (2) their dispute refers only to one who is eight years old, Beth Shammai maintaining, We must base our ruling on the earlier generations, but (3) Beth Hillel hold that we do not.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 69b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 470

The translator, Dr. Freedman, uses “cohabitation” to denote sexual intercourse. (32) He amplifies the text with footnotes.

  1. So that if he was nine years and a day or more, Beth Hillel agree that she is invalidated from the priesthood; whilst if he was less that eight, Beth Shammai agree that she is not
  2. When a boy of that age could cause conception.

— Rabbi Dr. Freedman

The issue rests on the boy’s theoretical ability to cause conception. Since (theoretically) a boy younger than nine cannot cause conception, he cannot (theoretically) engage in sexual intercourse (see above, from page 58, footnote 1, “… the intercourse of a small boy is not regarded as a sexual act”). This is a specialized definition of sexual intercourse.

The boy’s youth also exempts the man who sodomizes him — from moral guilt and legal liability. That is, the young boy cannot “throw guilt” on a man who lies with him, and the Scripture does not apply. If the boy is old enough to cause conception, the man who lies with him is in violation of Scripture.

And now we have the answer to a question that might have occurred to the reader when we discussed incest between mother and son, above: Why wouldn’t a mother like that be charged with incest? We have seen this explanation from Rabbi Dr. Freedman before, but it warrants further study. In a synthesis of logical premises unique to Talmudism, the translator again helps us out with a footnote. The language is complex, but the meaning of the last few lines is clear: By reckoning back and forth between the definition of “man,” “cause conception,” “active,” and “passive” participants in a sexual act, the conclusion is drawn that incest is not punishable with a boy younger than nine years old.

  1. [Rashi reads [H] instead of the [H] in our printed texts. A male, aged nine years and a day who commits etc.] There are thus three distinct clauses in this Baraitha. The first — a male aged nine years and a day — refers to the passive subject of pederasty, the punishment being incurred by the adult offender. This must be its meaning — because firstly, the active offender is never explicitly designated as a male, it being understood, just as the Bible states, Thou shalt not lie with mankind, where only the sex of the passive participant is mentioned; and secondly, if the age reference is to the active party, the guilt being incurred by the passive adult party, why single out pederasty: in all crimes of incest, the passive adult does not incur guilt unless the other party is at least nine years and a day? Hence the Baraitha supports Rab’s contention that nine years (and a day) is the minimum age of the passive partner for the adult to be liable.

— Rabbi Dr. Freedman (24)

American Puritanism vs. Rabbinic Tradition

Forward reports criticism of Young Israel’s award to Dr. Laura.

The problem, according to her liberal critics, is that Ms. Schlessinger pushes a conservative, pro-life platform that is out of touch with the mostly liberal American Jewish public. Worse, they say, is that her “sanctimonious” moralism and harsh style are more a reflection of American Puritanism than the ancient rabbinic tradition.

“It’s sad that with all the outstanding individuals doing great work, the National Council of Young Israel has chosen someone whose comments have been so divisive within and outside of the Jewish community,” said Rabbi Douglas Kahn, the executive director of the Jewish Community Relations Council of San Francisco.

Rabbi Kahn said he was referring in particular to the controversy sparked by Ms. Schlessinger’s claim that homosexuality is “deviant” and a “biological error.” Last year gay rights organizations and other liberal groups organized a boycott of Ms. Schlessinger’s new television show, which was eventually canceled due to poor ratings.

More than a dozen Jewish leaders signed a critical letter to Ms. Schlessinger, including Rabbi Paul Menitoff, the executive vice president of the Reform movement’s Central Conference of American Rabbis.

— Forward(5)

Indeed, Rabbis Kahn, Menitoff, and other Reform rabbis are right. Dr. Laura is not representing “the ancient rabbinic tradition,” which allows ample room for homosexuality and pederasty. But why didn’t Rabbis Kahn and Menitoff and their Reform colleagues publicly correct Dr. Laura and her Orthodox mentors, in particular Rabbi Moshe Bryski, by using the authority of direct quotes from the Talmud?

Children as Concubines, Babies as Wives

The ancient Hebrews were permitted to use children as concubines. Moses established the precedent. In the passage below, the Hebrews have just massacred the Midianite men. They return home with booty, and the Midianite women and children. Moses directs them to slaughter the captive women and children with this exception: virgin girl children are to be kept as concubines for the Hebrews.

  1. And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.
  2. And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
  3. And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
  4. And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
  5. Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
  6. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
  7. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Numbers 31:12-18 (KJV)

In the following, the Talmud Sages reason that, since Phinehas was among the Hebrews who were permitted a child concubine and Phinehas was a priest, Numbers 31:17-18 is Divine sanction for the marriage of priests with girls under the age of three — babies. The rabbis describe the babies as proselytes. The American Heritage Dictionary defines proselyte as “a Gentile converted to Judaism.” In the following passage, a bondman is a male slave, and a bondwoman a female slave.

GEMARA. … It was taught: R. Simeon b. Yohai stated: A proselyte who is under the age of three years and one day is permitted to marry a priest, (2) for it is said, But all the women children that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves, (3) and Phinehas (4) surely was with them. And the Rabbis? (5) — [These were kept alive] as bondmen and bondwomen. (6) If so, (7)  a proselyte whose age is three years and one day (8) should also be permitted! — [The prohibition is to be explained] in accordance with R. Huna. For R. Huna pointed out a contradiction: It is written, Kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him, (9) but if she hath not known, save her alive; from this it may be inferred that children are to be kept alive whether they have known or have not known [a man]; and, on the other hand, it is also written, But all the women children, that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves, (3) but do not spare them if they have known. Consequently (10) it must be said that Scripture speaks of one who is fit (11) for cohabitation. (12)

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Yebamoth 60b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 402

This is a special definition of cohabitation. The translator, Rev. Dr. Israel W. Slotki, amplifies the text with footnotes:

  1. She is not regarded as a harlot.
  2. Num. XXXI, 18.
  3. Who was a priest.
  4. How could they, contrary to the opinion of R. Simeon b. Yohai, which has Scriptural support, forbid the marriage of the young proselyte?
  5. Not for matrimony.
  6. That, according to R. Simeon, Num. XXXI, 18 refers to matrimony.
  7. So long as she has ‘not known man’.
  8. Num. XXXI, 17.
  9. To reconcile the contradiction.
  10. I.e., one who had attained the age of three years and one day.
  11. Not one who had actually experienced it.

— Rev. Dr. Slotki

The doctrine that Jewish men may have sexual intercourse with non-Jewish children (“proselytes”) under the age of three is expanded in the following passage; “Rabbi” is Judah the Prince.

GEMARA. … R. Jacob b. Idi stated in the name of R. Joshua b. Levi: The halachah is in agreement with R. Simeon b. Yohai. (13) Said R. Zera to R. Jacob b. Idi: Did you hear this (13) explicitly or did you learn it by a deduction? What [could be the] deduction? — As R. Joshua b. Levi related: There was a certain town in the Land of Israel the legitimacy of whose inhabitants was disputed, and Rabbi sent R. Romanos who conducted an enquiry and found in it the daughter of a proselyte who was under the age of three years and one day, (14) and Rabbi declared her eligible to live with a priest. (15)

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Yebamoth 60b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 403

The translator, Rev. Dr. Israel W. Slotki, amplifies the text with footnotes:

  1. That a proselyte under the age of three years and one day may be married by a priest.
  2. And was married to a priest.
  3. I.e., permitted her to continue to live with her husband.

— Rev. Dr. Slotki

Not every Sage agreed with this practice. The Talmud records the words of one Sage who objected to one case, though it does not record the specifics of his objection.

GEMARA. … A certain priest married a proselyte who was under the age of three years and one day. Said R. Nahman b. Isaac to him: What [do you mean by] this? (12) — The other replied: Because R. Jacob b. Idi stated in the name of R. Joshua b. Levi that the halachah is in agreement with R. Simeon b. Yohai. (13) ‘Go’, the first said, ‘and arrange for her release, or else I will pull R. Jacob b. Idi out of your ear’. (14)

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Yebamoth 60b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 404

The translator, Rev. Dr. Israel W. Slotki, amplifies the text with footnotes:

  1. I.e., on what authority did you contract the marriage.
  2. V. supra p. 403. n. 13.
  3. He would place him under the ban and thus compel him to carry out his decision which is contrary to that of R. Jacob b. Idi.

— Rev. Dr. Slotki

How Old Is the Screamer?

In Talmud doctrine, if a wife is a screamer — that is, her voice can be heard by the neighbors — she can be divorced without her kethubah.

MISHNAH. THESE ARE TO BE DIVORCED WITHOUT RECEIVING THEIR KETHUBAH: A WIFE WHO TRANSGRESSES THE LAW OF MOSES OR [ONE WHO TRANSGRESSES] JEWISH PRACTICE … [SUCH TRANSGRESSIONS INCLUDE] ALSO THAT OF A WIFE WHO CURSES HER HUSBAND’S PARENTS IN HIS PRESENCE. R. TARFON SAID: ALSO ONE WHO SCREAMS. AND WHO IS REGARDED A SCREAMER? A WOMAN WHOSE VOICE CAN BE HEARD BY HER NEIGHBOURS WHEN SHE SPEAKS INSIDE HER HOUSE.

— Babylonian Talmud, Kethuboth 72a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 449

However, in the current context of the child bride, the matter becomes another issue. It is surely possible that a three or four-year-old wife screams in pain when required to perform her marital duties. On reading further, the Gemara explains that if the wife screams during intercourse, it may be a sign of a physical defect.

GEMARA. … R. TARFON SAID: ALSO ONE WHO SCREAMS. What is meant by a screamer? — Rab Judah replied in the name of Samuel: One who speaks aloud (10) on marital matters. In a Baraitha it was taught: [By screams was meant a wife] whose voice (11) during her intercourse in one court can be heard in another court. But should not this, then, (12) have been taught in the Mishnah (13) among defects? (14) — Clearly we must revert to the original explanation. (15)

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kethuboth 72b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 453

Rev. Dr. Israel W. Slotki amplifies the above Gemara in the following footnotes. He tells us these were not screams of pleasure — they were screams of pain.

  1. Lit., ‘makes her voice heard’.
  2. Her screams of pain caused by the copulation.
  3. Since her screaming is due to a bodily defect.
  4. Infra 77a.
  5. Of course it should. Such a case in our Mishnah is out of place.
  6. That given in the name of Samuel.

— Rev. Dr. Slotki

In some cases, however, the screaming wife may be one who is so young and physically underdeveloped, her sexual organs cannot accommodate those of a grown man. It seems this child is at risk of being divorced without her kethubah. That is, of course, a concern.

A Different Viewpoint

There is not Talmud prohibition against sexual activity between an adult and very a young child on the basis that such activity could wound the child. Instead, the concern of the Sages is focused on interpreting Biblical injunctions and technicalities that absolve the adult from guilt or liability: At what age, they ask, does the child begin to cause “defilement” of the adult who uses the child for sex?

This next passage illustrates the point once more. The Sages debate “from what age does a heathen child cause defilement”? Is it nine years, or is it three years? If the correct threshold age is observed, the Jew incurs no guilt for the act of pederasty.

GEMARA. … From what age does a heathen child cause defilement by seminal emission? From the age of nine years and one day, [37a] for inasmuch as he is then capable of the sexual act he likewise defiles by emission. Rabina said: It is therefore to be concluded that a heathen girl [communicates defilement] from the age of three years and one day, for inasmuch as she is then capable of the sexual act she likewise defiles by a flux. This is obvious! — You might argue that he is at an age when he knows to persuade [a female] but she is not at an age when she knows to persuade [a male, and consequently although she is technically capable of the sexual act, she does not cause defilement until she is nine years and one day old]. Hence he informs us [that she communicates defilement at the earlier age].

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Abodah Zarah 36b-37a
Soncino 1961 Edition, pages 178-179

This may surprise the American reader who encounters it for the first time. In our society, of course, an adult who uses a child — particularly a very young child — for sexual activity is criminally censured.

Brother Takes Three-Year-Old Widow

In Tractate Niddah, again there is approval for priests to marry and copulate with baby girls. This passage describes a situation in which a priest dies without children, leaving a three-year-old widow. In such case, the priest’s brother (the yebam) can acquire the girl by having sexual intercourse with her. The ellipsis (…) in the following Mishna indicates the omission of non-germane text. The full text is available through the link at the Come and Hear™ link, below.

MISHNAH. A GIRL OF THE AGE OF THREE YEARS AND ONE DAY MAY BE BETROTHED BY INTERCOURSE; … IF SHE WAS MARRIED TO A PRIEST, SHE MAY EAT TERUMAH.

— Babylonian Talmud Tractate Niddah 44b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 308

Terumah is the word for temple offerings eaten by priests. This statement indicates that the three-year-old bride is the widow of the priest in all respects and privileges.

In the passage below, we see that the widow of a man who is not a priest can be sexually possessed by her erstwhile brother-in-law and thereby become his wife.

GEMARA. … R. Joseph said: Come and hear! A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition, and if her deceased husband’s brother cohabits with her, she becomes his.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 55b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 376

The statement quoted above from Tractate Sanhedrin 55b also appears in Tractate Sanhedrin 69a, Soncino 1961 Edition, page 469.

Wounding Young Brides by Intercourse

The Sages go on to discuss sexual intercourse with a girl younger than three years old: Wounding the child and causing her to bleed is one possible result. From the Sages’ description, it is apparent that the baby bleeds again and again from copulation with a grown man, and the Sages, once again, attribute the bleeding to the repetitive rupturing of the hymen (i.e., virginity growing back).

In the following Mishnah, non-germane text is omitted (…). Please follow the source link to view the complete Mishnah.

MISHNAH. A GIRL OF THE AGE OF THREE YEARS AND ONE DAY MAY BE BETROTHED BY INTERCOURSE; … IF ONE WAS YOUNGER THAN THIS AGE INTERCOURSE WITH HER IS LIKE PUTTING A FINGER IN THE EYE.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Niddah 44b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 309

The image of “a finger in the eye” is once again explained in the following Gemara. The possibility that the three-year-old committed adultery with a stranger is also addressed:

GEMARA. … IF ONE WAS YOUNGER THAN THIS AGE, INTERCOURSE WITH HER IS LIKE PUTTING A FINGER IN THE EYE. It was asked, Do the features of virginity disappear and reappear again or is it possible that they cannot be completely destroyed until after the third year of her age? In what practical respect could this matter? — In one, for instance, where her husband had intercourse with her before the age of three and found blood, and when he had intercourse after the age of three he found no blood. If you grant that they disappear and reappear again [it might well be assumed] that there ‘was not sufficient time for their reappearance, but if you maintain that they cannot be destroyed until after the age of three years it would be obvious that a stranger cohabited with her. Now what is your decision? — R. Hiyya son of R. Ika demurred: But who can tell us that a wound inflicted within the three years is not healed forthwith, seeing it is possible that it is immediately healed and it would thus be obvious that a stranger had cohabited with her? Rather the practical difference is the case, for instance, where her husband had intercourse with her while she was under three years of age and found blood and when he had intercourse after the age of three he also found blood. If you grant that the features disappear and reappear again the blood might well be treated as that of virginity, but if you maintain that they cannot be destroyed until after the age of three years, that must be the blood of menstruation. Now what is your decision? — R. Hisda replied, Come and hear: IF ONE WAS YOUNGER THAN THIS AGE, INTERCOURSE WITH HER IS LIKE PUTTING A FINGER IN THE EYE; what need was there to state, LIKE PUTTING A FINGER IN THE EYE’ instead of merely saying: IF ONE WAS YOUNGER THAN THIS AGE, INTERCOURSE WITH HER IS of no consequence’? Does not this then teach us that as the eye tears and tears again so do the features of virginity disappear and reappear again.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Niddah 45a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 309-310

Rest for the Intercourse Wound

This Gemara from Tractate Kethuboth takes up the discussion of the pre-pubescent bride who is wounded by intercourse.

GEMARA. … R. Hisda objected: If a girl, whose period to see [blood] had not arrived yet, got married, Beth Shammai say: One gives her four nights, and the disciples of Hillel say: Until the wound is healed up. (1) If her period to see [blood] had arrived and she married, Beth Shammai say: One gives her the first night, and Beth Hillel say: Until the night following the Sabbath [one gives her] four nights.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kethuboth 6a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 20-21

The translator, Rabbi Dr. Samuel Daiches, amplifies the text with this footnote.

  1. The blood that comes out is attributed to the wound and not to menstruation. Ordinarily, after the first intercourse further intercourse is forbidden until the coming out of blood, i.e., menstruation, is over. But in this case, in which the young bride had never yet had any menstruation, it is assumed that the blood is not due to menstruation but to the wound caused by the intercourse. According to Beth Shammai this assumption holds good for four nights, and according to Beth Hillel it holds good ‘until the wound is healed up.’ As to the definition of this phrase, v. Nid. 64b. V. also Nid. 65b, where it is finally decided that after the first coition no further intercourse must take place until the flowing of blood has stopped, even in the case of a young bride who had not yet had any menstruation. V. also Eben ha-‘Ezer, 63, and Yoreh De’ah, 193.

— Rabbi Dr. Daiches

We have been told that according to Jewish law, a post-pubescent bride who bleeds after the first intercourse does not have intercourse again until after her next menstrual period (above). The situation is different, however, for a bride who has not reached the age of menstruation. What are the rules concerning the bleeding pre-pubescent bride? Shammai rabbis say the intercourse wound should be given four nights rest. The Hillel rabbis recommend abstinence until the wound is healed (Kethuboth 6a). See also Tractate Niddah, as follows:

MISHNAH. IF A YOUNG GIRL, WHOSE AGE OF MENSTRUATION HAS NOT YET ARRIVED, MARRIED, BETH SHAMMAI RULED: SHE IS ALLOWED FOUR NIGHTS, AND BETH HILLEL RULED: UNTIL THE WOUND IS HEALED.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Niddah 64b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 454

Again, there is no prohibition of a sexual practice that would almost certainly cause physical damage to a young girl due to the mismatched sizes of genitals between an adult’s penis and a child’s vagina or anus.

Old Fashioned Torah Values?

At a time when Americans are displaying an ever-increasing interest in all things Jewish — from kabbala to Senator Joseph Lieberman to “Kosher Sex” — Dr. Laura is the most popular source for a healthy dose of Jewish nagging, guilt trips and what she presents as lessons in good old-fashioned Torah values.

— Forward(5)

We have seen in Numbers 31:12-18 that Moses permitted grown men to use little girls as concubines. In the Talmud, grown men are permitted to have sexual intercourse with female babies and children, and homosexual relations with boys younger than nine.

Those “good old fashioned Torah values” are not quite as Christian America remembers them.

Marital Duties of the Pre-Pubescent Bride

The marital duties of the pre-pubescent brides are addressed in at least three tractates in almost the same words (Yebamoth 12b and 100b, Niddah 45a, and Kethuboth 39a).

In the following passage, the Sages discuss the use of contraception. All the Sages agree that a wife younger than eleven — a wife who is too young to become pregnant — is required to carry on “marital intercourse” in the normal manner. Recall that those brides can be as young as three, and sometimes younger.

GEMARA. … Three classes of woman may use an absorbent (1) in their marital intercourse: (2) A minor, and an expectant and a nursing mother. The minor,(3) because otherwise she might become pregnant and die. An expectant mother, (3) because otherwise she might cause her foetus to degenerate into a sandal. (4) A nursing mother, (3) because otherwise she might have to wean her child prematurely, (5) and this would result in his death. And what is the age of such a ‘minor’? (6) From the age of eleven years and one day to the age of twelve years and one day. One who is under (7) or over this age (8) must carry on her marital intercourse in a normal manner; so R. Meir. But the Sages ruled: The one as well as the other carries on her marital intercourse in a normal manner and mercy (9) will be vouchsafed from heaven, for it is said in Scripture, The Lord preserveth the simple (10) …

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Niddah 45a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 311

The translator, Rev. Dr. Israel W. Slotki, amplifies the text with these footnotes:

  1. Muk, flax or hackled wool.
  2. To avoid conception.
  3. Is permitted the use of the absorbent.
  4. A fish-shaped abortion. Lit., ‘flat-fish’.
  5. On account of her second conception which causes the deterioration of her breast milk.
  6. Of whom it has been said that she is capable of conception but is thereby exposed to fatal consequences.
  7. When conception is impossible.
  8. When conception involves no danger.
  9. To protect them from harm.
  10. Ps. CXVI, 6; sc. those who are unable to protect themselves. At any rate it was here stated that a minor under eleven years of age is incapable of conception. …

— Rev. Dr. Slotki

Did Girls Reach Puberty Earlier Then?

It is sometimes claimed that in the days when the Talmud Sages walked the earth, girls matured earlier; hence, sexual intercourse with girls three years old and younger was not inappropriate. However, the Talmud itself repudiates this assertion.

In Tractate Niddah 45a (quoted above), the Sages argue: “From the age of eleven years and one day to the age of twelve years and one day” a girl may use an “absorbent” (contraception) “because otherwise she might become pregnant and die.” The Sages also say girls younger (than eleven) must carry on sexual intercourse “in the normal manner.” Therefore, as a general rule, the Sages did not expect a girl younger than eleven could get pregnant. The statements in Niddah 45a indicate that sexual maturation of women in the time of the Talmud Sages compares with sexual maturation of women in our own day.

Or consider the passage that appears just previous in Niddah 45a:

GEMARA. … It is related of Justinia the daughter of ‘Aseverus son of Antonius that she once appeared before Rabbi. ‘Master’, she said to him, ‘at what age may a woman marry?’. ‘At the age of three years and one day’, he told her. ‘And at what age is she capable of conception?’ ‘At the age of twelve years and one day’, he replied. ‘I’, she said to him, ‘married at the age of six and bore a child at the age of seven; alas for the three years that I have lost at my father’s house’. But can a woman conceive at the age of six years?

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Niddah 45a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 310

Justinia’s assertion that she had a child at seven is surprising, and it even surprises the Sages (“But can a woman conceive at the age of six years?”). But note that Rabbi (Judah the Prince), who was familiar with far more than a single girl’s experience, estimated twelve as the earliest age for childbearing. Rabbi would of course be familiar with all phases of human life from his career of counseling, judging, and recording. Remember (Talmud Laws of Menstruation), the rabbis were intimately familiar with the physiological details of their female parishioners, consulted even on specimens of a woman’s vaginal discharge. Rev. Dr. Slotki remarks on the above Gemara in footnote 10 on the following page:

  1. … At any rate it was here stated that a minor under eleven years of age is incapable of conception. How then is Justinia’s story to be reconciled with this statement?

— Rev. Dr. Slotki (3)

The Rights of the Child

The treatment of children in Orthodox Judaism has caused concern in Italy. A Genoa court, ruling in a custody dispute, accepted the report of psychologists that Orthodox Judaism views “exploitation and cruelty to minors as legitimate … and perverted behavior as normal.” For more details, see Appendix: The Rights of the Child.

The Rudin Standard

Let us consider again Forward‘s coverage of Dr. Laura’s National Heritage award from Young Israel.

With 20 million listeners and a tendency to present her conservative views as an outgrowth of her Orthodox Jewish faith, Dr. Laura may well be Judaism’s top ambassador to middle America.

— Forward (5)

But we notice Dr. Laura never tells Middle America about the doctrines of Orthodox Judaism on child-adult sex. We wonder how things would work out for her ratings if she followed the advice of Rabbi A. James Rudin, Senior Interreligious Adviser of the American Jewish Committee.

In February 2002, Rabbi Rudin wrote an article for Forward, commenting on the Vatican’s decision to open its World War II archives — partially. In that context, Rabbi Rudin offered the Vatican the following advice:

… one thing is clear. Partial, incomplete or pre-selected archival records will not be enough in a world where transparency and full disclosure is now the norm if an institution — whether political, financial, or spiritual — is to maintain its integrity.

— Rabbi A. James Rudin (8)

If it is important to fully disclose records of historical events, surely it is more important to fully disclose fundamental religious doctrines that may soon be embodied in US law — especially when those doctrines are controversial.

On the subject of child-adult sex, there is a great divide between Talmud culture and American culture. However, the extent of that divide is known only to one side. Rabbis in America know and understand American culture, Americans know almost nothing about Talmud culture. When the fundamental doctrines of the Talmud are examined carefully, we find that feminist writer Judith Levine, author of Not Harmful to Minors: The Perils of Protecting Kids from Sex, is truer to classical Judaism than Dr. Laura.

Jewish leadership — from the most liberal of the Reform rabbis to the most conservative of the Orthodox rabbis — have done Judaism a disservice by not coming forward with the facts and applying Rabbi Rudin’s standard of full disclosure. How can we achieve understanding between people of different religious faiths if we do not take courage and stand behind our own religious convictions?

 (This article is on line at http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/america_2.html )